Another Germany – Oranje…

Dutch football is on the rise. Ajax’ campaign in Europe last season was unheard of. And the resulting interest in some of the Dutch top players a logical next step, with big moves for De Ligt and De Jong, Champions League football for De Roon and Babel, a new adventure for Cillesen in Spain… In the usually so challenging August month, 4 Dutch clubs impressively reached the group stages of the European competitions and Virgil van Dijk was awarded the European Footballer of the Year award… ahead of Messi and C Ronaldo.

All wonderful news. And on top of that, Ajax managed to keep Onana, Mazraoui, Ziyech, Van de Beek, Tadic, Neres and Blind on board with disappointing striker Kasper Dolberg leaving for Nice. Lasse Schone, for years a loyal key part of the different Ajax teams was allowed a final money move to Genua. Ajax’ investments in new players will definitely prove to be a gift for the Eredivisie, with Dutch international Quincy Promes amongst the new signings.

PSV is looking sharp (and young) with Malen, Gakpo, Ihatarren, Dumfries and Bergwijn as regular starters while Feyenoord seems to take shape too, slowly but surely, under Jaap Stam with Steven Berghuis in the leader role and former Oranje players Karsdorp, Narsingh and Leroy Fer back in Holland to revitalise their careers.

And the Dutch flag ship team, the Lions, are set to start their season as well. And why not against Germany? A good opponent to kick the season off with….

It’s the fourth meeting in eleven months. The games were all considered “tactical matches” by Ronald Koeman and in the third edition (2-3 loss), it was Joachim Low who outsmarted his Dutch counterpart.

Koeman is not all too relaxed when faced with Germany again. “They are problably one of the strongest teams around. Forget their abysmal World Cup campaign and forget the victories we had over them in the Nations League. This Germany oozes quality.” Their strength is, their flexibility and ability to change their style mid-game. They have speed and guile upfront, a couple of killer strikers and a lot of movement.

In the last meeting, Koeman went for a 4-2-3-1 system, with Babel and Promes on as striker partners for Memphis.

Holland doesn’t get a grip on the game, though, as Gozetzka is successful in shielding Frenkie de Jong. The movement is too much for Holland’s midfield and Koeman goes back to the 5-4-1 he used in the first victory over Germany.

Quincy Promes played on the wing back spot (as did Babel) and the former generates to opportunities for Babel at the start of the second half. The Germans seem rattled but soon find out that now the space is to found in the axis of the field.

Koeman brings Bergwijn for Promes and changes again: this time to a 5-3-2 and the two striking partners (Memphis and Bergwijn) keep pressure on the German defence and allow the midfield to take more control. Wijnaldum takes on the job to cover Kroos from De Roon and the Liverpool midfielder manages to contain the Real Madrid playmaker. The result is that Germany starts to play the long ball to bypass midfield and as a result, Virgil and Matthijs can play to their strength, winning the aerial battles.

Oranje fights back from 0-2 to 2-2 and it seems another draw is on the cards. A series of communication errors after a number of subs results in players being unmarked allowing the Germans one more attempt at goal: 2-3.

The infamous note of assistant Dwight Lodeweges for coach Koeman

Koeman is fuming after the match: why didn’t he make a final change to make sure the 2-2 wasn’t further endangered. He concluded that the number of players in defensive roles wasn’t the issue, but more the series of wrong decisions made….

A key conclusion after that game is: Holland isn’t as good as we hope / think we are. We still have steps to take. The coach is still important in the changes he makes. When the team gets stuck, it needs the changes from the bench to repair the problem. The next step is that this team (De Jong, Propper, Van Dijk, Memphis) will see what needs to be done for themselves.

For the match coming Friday, Leroy Sane – one of the trouble makers in the last match – is missing with injury. But on the other hand,  Germany has multiple options to deal with this omission as Low is able to use Reus, Brandt, Havertz and Werner he could use to good effect coming from the flanks. We’ll know it 30 mins before the match…

Eight internationals made a move this summer. Lets zoom in and see how they faired.

Ryan Babel – Galatasaray

Babel went from Fulham in the EPL back to Turkey, to play for Galatasaray. After 6 years without a call up, he made his way back into the orange jersey under Koeman. On the left, Babel covers the whole flank, doing his defensive duties and supporting Memphis in attack. Babel played central striker in the first competitive matches and has his first goal already too.

Jesper Cillesen – Valencia

Cillesen was a highly regarded goalie for Barca for 3 seasons but wanted to play every week. And with Valencia, it seems he has that opportunity. His new employer hasn’t started too good but Cillesen was able to stop a spotkick by Denis Suarez and secured the #1 spot (for now).

Arnaut Danjuma Groeneveld – Bournemouth

The youngster went from the PSV Academy to NEC in the second tier, because he wanted playing time. After one season, Club Brugge picked him up and now Danjuma made his debut for Oranje and signed a super deal with Bournemouth. Danjuma hasn’t played a minute for Bournemouth as a result of a foot injury. Eddie Howe is frustrated: “We did every single test on him and didn’t find a thing. And now this. We don’t even know how serious it is!”

Frenkie de Jong – Barcelona

The most talked about transfer of the summer. Frenkie had a super pre-season with the club, making an impression. In his first Liga game, Barca loses, partly due to the man marking Bilbao had for Frenkie. He can’t get rid of the marker and needs the help of Rakitic to get some joy on the ball. In the second game Frenkie is the left midfielder in the Betis game where his contributions on midfield resulted in three Barca goals. In his last game for Barca, he plays on the left again but can’t avoid a draw. He had the least contacts of the whole team in that match, a strong indicator that he is not yet firing on all cylinders.

Luuk de Jong – Sevilla

PSV attacking leader and goal scorer Luuk de Jong tried in a bigger competition for the third time. Failed at Borussia Monchengladbach in Germany and Newcastle in England, the Spanish are quite taken with the header specialist. De Jong hasn’t scored yet but was crucial in two instances, and two goals. The Sevilla fans have seen the value Luuk can bring.

Matthijs de Ligt – Juventus

What appeared to be a longwinded transfer soap opera ended with a move to Juventus. Not as predictable as Frenkie’s move, but the young Ajax skipper proclaimed to have been a Juve fan from childhood and a big follower of Italian defenders. Surely, Cristiano whispering in his ear will have helped too. His pre-season wasn’t too great, with some clear adaption issues (and an own goal). He didn’t play in Juve’s first match but got the nod when Chiellini got seriously injured for the top match vs Napoli. His direct opponent scored and according to the ruthless media, De Ligt defended as a girl and was guilty of three goals. Juve did win that match, to soften the blow. Ronald Koeman laughed the criticism away: “I had a horrific start at Barca as well and if you ask the people there today about me, I don’t think anyway will mention my start. Matthijs was at fault of one goal, not three. I am not worried.”

Quincy Promes – Ajax

The young former Ajax talent made his way to the top via FC Twente and Go Ahead Eagles, making his name at Spartak Moscow. His move to Seville wasn’t a success as he was mainly used as stand in for the wing backs. In Amsterdam, they expected the exit of Ziyech, Neres and Van de Beek and they signed the former Russian top scorer early. Now, with the Ajax three signing on for more, Promes started on the bench and even getting a nasty foot injury. He started for Ajax last weekend and managed his first Eredivisie goal vs Sparta.

Tonny Vilhena – Krasnodar

The Feyenoord version of Edgar Davids was named in transfer rumours for years. Bundesliga, Serie A, EPL (Leicester City), they all came and went. For personal reasons (his mom was very ill), Tonny didn’t move away from Rotterdam until this summer and brows were raised when it was Krasnodar. Vilhena scored and assisted one in the shock win over FC Porto in the CL-qualification game. Vilhena plays either left or right midfield for his new club and Koeman knows the youngster can also play left back or left wing back. That versatility is a big plus for Koeman who loves players like him, Ake and Daley Blind who can offer the coach options.

Ronald Koeman claims he has the ideal eleven in his head for the match tomorrow. The full squad is fit as it is and it is expected he won’t change anything in his defence and midfield. The injured Bergwijn needs to be replaced and the experienced Promes is the most logical option.

Oranje is way behind the leaders in the group but this is because of Holland’s Nation League campaign. Winning or drawing vs Germany is not essential but losing does mean Oranje can’t afford a single misstep.

I believe we’ll win this match 1-3, hitting the Germans on the counter, with a key role for playmaker Frenkie and goals for Memphis, Promes and sub Donyell Malen.


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  1. Does anyone else think strootman will be able to make a comeback or is he done. Im starting to get that feeling that he could.koeman has beem persistent with him and most probably he is monitoring him everytime the squad gathers. ACL injuries are not easy to recover tbh and this could be the reason why.

    Has had a good start to the season as well at Marseille. Has become a regular starter in the midfield. No doubt he has put in a lot of hard work in the after math of his recovery and if he does make a comback, that midfield could light with him and frenkie. Both going up and down.

    Looking at him in the training session, he looks to be in good condition. Could be wrong here but maybe Estonia game would be the one to start him or get him of the bench.

    Being said this, I would also like to see Ake get a shot as well beside frenkie.

    1. I think Strootman will never get a starting spot. He might be part of the Euro squad due to his off pitch personality and experience but after the Euros I think it’s done with him. Players like Propper, F de Jong, Ihattaren, Van de Beek, Eijting, Rosario, De Roon, Wijnaldum, Vilhena, will surpass him for sure.

  2. People don realise that Vilhena is really Good,has lungs,bit like davids,hugly skilled,kind of pitbull type…He could be the balancer Guy..
    Annholt—-Virgil–Deligt—No movement–

    With Malen coming in for Berghius or Gini
    Propper comingfor Depay/Berghius
    bizot is way better than Zoet and cillessen…it was crap selection by koeman

      1. I did nt say cillessen is crap..i was pissed of by dropping Bizot..i follow Bizot and AZ close..Bizot is double class…way better than Zoet..i want Bizot to be no1,cillssen oe Vermeer as 2 and 3..Not zoet whom i dont trust at all..
        if cillessen is top class Bizot is double top class..Bizot deserves to be in squad..i was pissed of by dropping stengs,bizot,kongolo..

  3. oh My God. babel will start tonight. no change in last 15 games. why we need coach?? every NT game call this 11 guy to go and play football. really don’t need coach and his team assistant.
    good night. i will take my cards on 2-0 for germany.

  4. Yes
    I don’t understand koeman

    This starting 11 isn’t our strongest XI
    I hope I’m wrong .

    Why blind not Van aanholt? I don’t think Wijnaldum is in good form also . I hope I’m wrong

    1. De Roon almost play as RB,Promes as LB.. what is this Blind and Dumfires doing????
      If we want to win against strong team we need to get rid of Both.both are liabilty in their duty as oher two guys promes and De roon had to cover..its shame..

  5. Poor 1st half. We don’t look like scoring. If not for Cillessen we would be 0-2 down. Germany is comfortable letting us have the ball and are dangerous in counter attack. With Babel in there we will lose this game for sure but also the qualifications. Koeman is disappointing.

    1. Babel is still better than Dumfries and Blind..How long koeman will hide blind??What is this dumfry is doing??third worst player may be Babel..Still he outmuscled Tah and created a chance for Depay…

  6. Say bye bye to another Euro !

    We have the best midfielder and beat central defenders and yet we are about to lose two consecutive matches against a not so strong German team

    There is no penetration and there are no shooting chances

    Koeman has no idea what he’s doing . Sorry but if we lose this game then that’s it .

  7. I missed first 20 minutes but Dumfries looks very poor. Memphis does not get any mature. I do not understand why he needed o get into fight with Kimmich to earn a yellow card. At this point it really does not look like NT will score but things can change…

  8. I follow Everton in the EPL and have first hand experience of what a disaster Ronald Koeman is. He got lucky in the early part of his stint with Oranje. Now his lack of game-reading, team-building and strategic vision is blatantly apparent.

    Bye Bye Euros!!!

    1. 46′: We’re back!

      49′: Marten de Roon knocks down Kroos from behind, he misses the next game

      56′: What a shot and what a save!! Wijnaldum’s powerful shot beaten away by Neuer!

      58′: Netherlands double sub: Davy Pröpper and Donyell Malen on for Denzel Dumfries and Marten de Roon

      59′: GOAL NETHERLANDS!!! Frenkie De Jong somehow appears out of nowhere to get to a Babel cross and tucks it in the near side!!

      61′: Germany double sub: İlkay Gündoğan and Kai Havertz on for Marco Reus and Timo Werner

      66′: GOAL NETHERLANDS!! It’s a corner kick that goes in, the first one is kept out by Neuer fantastically, but it’s put back across face of goal, it misses Babel but bounces in off poor Jonathan Tah! A tragic own goal for the Germans!

      71′: PENALTY TO GERMANY!! It’s horribly unlucky, Blind doesn’t see the ball coming down and it hits his hand!! According to the new rules you have to call that

      72′: Frenkie De Jong gets a card for, I guess, arguing with the ref on the penalty

      73′: GOAL GERMANY!! Toni Kroos sends Cillessen the wrong way and scores the pen! It’s rough but we’re even!

      74′: Big chance for Malen! But he misses the target.

      79′: GOAL NETHERLANDS!! Back in front!! Wijnaldum bombs forward and chips a difficult cross to Donyell Malen who smashes it into the goal to restore the lead!

      81′: Netherlands substitution: Nathan Aké on for Ryan Babel

      84′: Germany substitution: Julian Brandt on for Matthias Ginter

      90+1′: GOAL NETHERLANDS!!! Georginio Wijnaldum puts the final touch on an astonishing counter-attack! This one will go to the Dutch!

      90+4′: Gnabry puts his volley inches wide.

  9. What freaking changed in 2nd half? How did we score 4? Why is deLigt so unlucky and why does he slip at worst moments like in last minute? Have we ever scored 4 in Germany? So many questions.

  10. I enjoyed very much the new set up that came up after the substitutions. Promes was so good as a right back. Entire team have changed after those substitutions. Bravo Koeman!

    1. Taking away dumfries was huge step.Mallen added what dumfries couldnt do..our play was stacked at dumfries side…on the other hand Blind protected by promes …this changed after Mallen and Propper came in..

  11. Absence of Sane was so obvious in this German team. Another striking feature of this team is the lack of power that is what Germans have been so famous.

    1. Defense. Koeman brought him on and took off Babel at 2-3 to preserve the lead. Packed the Oranje half of the field as the Germans were looking for the equalizer.

    1. I’m so happy that Malen scores and did well in his debut

      We seriously need some new force upfront and I hope koeman will really learnt from this game

      I hope koeman ( I will leave him a message on his Facebook page ) will bring in more youngsters and get a stronger team by the time euros come

      I am expecting Danjuma dilrosun redan all to step in

  12. This was a crucial and vital away win. This group is still very tight but this was a comprehensive confidence building win.

    If only Koeman can find a pure quality striker like Van Nistelrooy or Van Persie, this team would definitely be a contender because every other top team in a state of flux. There’s no dominating superior team in world football right now that is unbeatable. Even France despite their star players all around is still beatable.

    Anyways, I’m very happy with this game. In the end, all I care about is getting the win!

  13. Considering the circumstances, I think, in general, Koeman has done a good job. However I am perplexed at his unwillingness to play a more classical center forward.
    I understand that center forwards are quite rare these days and most managers prefer strikers who can interchange roles between the number 7 and 9 positions or even number 10.
    The three players we have up front hold on to the ball too much and they like to produce plays/goals rather than just finishing them #ehem Van Nistelrooy.

  14. 2-4, we really dominated Germany last night. With Frienki & Gini at midfield we have a world class pair midfielder. This is very important. Long time ago i have mentioned about Malen will become Orange material & now we see it 😆. Front- line now we can not compare to any big team but potential if Chong, Kluivert, Redan, Boadu, Steng step-up beside Berwings, Danjuma, Dilrosun & leader Depay we will have a very strong team 😃

    1. I had great hopes for chong but scoring zero in over hundred is miinites playing times …. I’m not so sure now

      This year will be crucial for him if he still does not start getting more playing times and score a few then ole will loan him out somewhere and that’s it

      He’s also a bit light weight in my opinion ?( Always fall down…)

      I rated him above kluivert last year but not anymore now

  15. What i mean is our frontline now not very strong but very potential especially real striker of new generation such as Malen, Redan, Garko, Boadu under Koeman 😁 lets see

    We should forget about Luuk, Werghost,Janssen too

    1. I do not see how Boadu is different from Janssen or Weghorst. I agree that de Jong is different. But the above-mentioned have pretty similar style. I still believe that Weghorst can create a good tandem with Memphis.

      1. Im suprised why you dont rate Boadu highly. I mean last season before his injury he was looking sharp and also looked a level above his group age.

        Completely diagree that he is in the same boat as weghorst and Janssen. If you throw in a good attacking midfielder behind boadu, then it becomes a case to answer. Im mot sure though how much the injury has taken a toll on his body. Otherwise he is a complete package.

        1. Time will show, Wilson, how good Myron is. At this moment I can not rate him higher than Vincent and Wout. Both Vincent and Weghorst were scoring regardless of the presence of the attacking midfielder. At this moment, Myron’s efficiency rate is very low. It is not because AZ does not have a playmaker now. He gets enough opportunities but his scoring abilities are not there yet. That is my simple reasoning why I rate him much lower than the above-mentioned players and he does not look like a complete package to me.

          1. Well you follow him better so I will leave it to it for now. Maye worth looking at him towards the end of december besides injury.

  16. Great performance by the team tonight and well managed by Koeman unlike the first game in Amsterdam. We’ll take a lot of positives from this game but I want to focus a little bit on the things I saw that need to be fixed. Dumfries had a really bad game and it’s not the only bad game he had with Oranje this far which is why more players need to be tried on that position. Veltman who I don’t rate that high, Kardorp when he’s back in shape, Hateboer or even Dest. Blind was really disappointing as well. He’s pace was a constant problem while he’s passing wasn’t what we are used from him. The worst in his performance tonight was his positioning! He plays Reus onside and gifts the Germans a clear cut chance to score the second and later he played Gnabry onside when the score was 2-4. Thankfully Gnabry hit the post. Wing backs is an issue for this Dutch team and that is something that needs to be looked at from Koeman and his staff.

    1. There is two things I will say about Blind which I have been saying all through out. Some may argue he was on a day off for him but it aint the case. Firstly the same old menality. Mr versatile can play anywhere at anytime. He has beem playing CB and MF at Ajax and then was thrown at LB for NT. Benefit of doubt factor.i have emphasised on this when it has come to Daley Blind.

      Secondly I also said the day his flank will be raided,it will be the same old story. It is after very long time that his flank was raided and luckly for him van dijk was playing along side him.

      On a day if his flank is quiet, You will see him moving forward compared to today where he was often caught between lines.

      I still think koeman should give van annholt a chance to prove himself.

      1. Take a look at Blind’s pass on the go-ahead goal: brilliant. He does so many things well to compensate for his lack of speed. But he’s looking even slower lately. He’s still a key part of the team.

          1. Van annholt is a modern day fullback and if he goes to a team like city who were intrested in him.he will be a big hit. City have players to cover him up when he makes those
            surging runs foward. This is also one of the reasons why van der weil was a hit at PSG only to choke in NT.

            That covering aspect of the game in the NT is very weak.

      2. Why, for fuck sake? Why would you give a player a chance to prove himself? THis is the NAtional Team for crying out loud, not a playground team. We need players that proven themselves already. Like Daley Blind.

  17. Great 2nd half. One of things I liked bis that it looked like the players figured it for themselves on the pitch…I know, I know, they scored moments after Koeman made the double substitution and they switched to a 3-5-2 (with Blind becoming one of the back three, and Babel and Promes out wide as wingbacks)…but even before that, they had started to trouble Germany; Frenkie moved further forward, and Wijnaldum had pushed up as well.

    This particular group has a great fighting spirit, so many games they have given up the first (and second) goals, and they’ve fought their way back into the match.

    Re: the particular players. I thought Frenkie had an excellent game; Wijnaldum was excellent, how fit is this guy, the runs he was making late into the game were amazing. Babel was very good when took on the wide position; De Roon did alot of covering before he came out. Both VVD and De ligt saved them just before they scored the first goal. And I guess I am in the minority, but I thought Blind had a good game. Malen made a difference.

    Also full marks to Koeman for his in game changes.

    @Wilson, don’t know if you got the answer as to where Ake played. But when he subbed in for Babel, Blind moved up to wing back and Ake played as one of the back three. Looked very good (solid, safe) in his brief turn.

    1. Thanks. I couldnt watch the game and had to watch the replay. I was actually hoping he would get some minutes in the midfield.

      There is one thing I would say though is, You cant build the spine of the team around few players. Koeman has been tatically better than Low and its just because the Germans are facing the same problem as the dutch before the arrival of van dijk and de ligt. Now this was compensated alot in the case of the germans when sane was around.sanes run would give ample time for another players to get into spaces. With out him it was going to be very hard for the german backline to sustain pressure and they did collapse eventually when the dutch switched 3-5-2.

      1. Another good example is the nations league final where koeman just couldnt do much because Portuguese didnt have any weakness in any department.they pretty much had all clyinders firing in all positions unitil it just opened up. It will intresting though as those are the type of games where it comes down to player head to head and hence where the rotten potatoe gets exposed.

  18. Few takeaways..
    1. Our attack still lacked the cutting edge and incisiveness. Depay first touch needs to be better, his unpredictability on the ball is a plus though.
    Promes no world beater in attack. No variety in his play.
    2. Dumfries was bad. Actually he hasn’t been impressive so far. Don’t think Promes is for the full back role. Need to fast track Ki Jana Hoever.
    3. De Roon not one for playing quick passes at midfield. His is more of a combative style to break up opponents’ play, and no flair. This is opposite for Propper and Strootman. Our Edgar Davids has both which made him world class.

    1. Frenkie usually plays the left side of a two player holding mid section (4-2-3-1) and De Roon / Propper plays on the right, with Wijnaldum in front. This is the 4-2-3-1 set up basically, with Babel and Promes wide and Memphis upfront.

  19. We need a replacement for Dumfries and Blind..Every time it scary to watch Blid facing speedy ones.
    Leroy sane would have made mockery of him like last time..
    Hateboer are not needed any more..

  20. In next game i hope we start with malen or werghost as a forward and memphis on a right and kluiveet on a left. Stonia os a good game to test hotoeber and kluivert and malen as a starter.

  21. First of all I want to say I love reading Jan’s posts.

    I used to frequently come to these forums and read everyone’s comments. But wow, these comments with certain users prematurely bashing the players and coaches on the Dutch team are really embarassing (you know who you are).. anyways, I’ll come here periodically to check out Jan’s posts but no comments. It’s disgusting.
    You guys really think we would have missed euros because might have lost to Germany? This Dutch team is very good. You forget it’s still a good German team, I don’t care what anyone says about that.vthry dominated in the second half. Sometimes in sports it takes another half to adjust. But of course the users on this forum being negative have no clue about sports.
    The Dutch will beat northern Ireland, as well will Germany. And even if the Dutch came 3rd, you forget they would play a playoff to get to the euro because of the nation’s league position and would beat whoever to get there. So yes, we will 100% see the Dutch at the euros.

    1. Oh, and I want to add, the only reason northern Ireland has 4 wins is because they played the bottom 2 teams who are horrible soccer countries, and they squeezed by. I have faith in this team and the coaches, you guys should too. The results on the past year and a bit proves it.

      1. You call it bashing and I call it constructive the end of the day it all about forging the best starring 11 and their backup which NT doesnt have at the moment. If van dijk gets injured, the team will go into a turmoil. We have seen this before so many times when Danny Blind was relying on Robben.

        Like I said above Sanes absence exposed the backline big time for the germans. Koemans strategy so far has been to study the opponent in the first half and tatically punch in the second half based on the weakness if any. You see this wont be there on offer everytime. If you look at the germans, the day they produce their own van dijk or the current defender mature for that matter, they will be a world class time again.

        Unfortunately you cant see that happening to NT even though they are on a rise.

  22. Arrival of Cody Gakpo and stengs for Kluivert and Luuk will give us more potency..
    But the scary part is our wing backs…both dumfries and Blind…Dumfries is like Black hole..nothing comes back from him once you pass to him with poor first touch..Poor reading capacity of game hence De roon had to help him all the time when he moved up..
    Blind needs another man arround him Either Babel or Virgil..u need 11 players on ground not 9..He knows if he plays up he will get caught out..this limits his attack..Gnabry has tored him apart..Sane would do same,Dybala would do same,kingsly koeman would o same,Douglas costa will do same,jordan sancho will do same,Sterling would do same..
    Where we are heading with this player???i am nottalking about Estonia or Belarus.i know he will play better against such teams…
    Cillessen is Good on play,He cannot stop a penalty,may be ONCE IN blue moon he stops a penalty..those are crucial at big tournaments.i think Bizot is equally Good as him on play and better at penaltys..Bizot is extraordinary clam and is one hell of form right now..So why the Hell Zoet is there???
    Van debeek–Propper
    Deligt—De vrij–

    1. I dont think afraid, we are looking at the starting 11 for euros if not for injuries. Promes might drop to bench when danjuma comes back but the rest will be probably be the same.

      Even if there is case for any new player who is doing exceptionally well at club level,it will be hard for them clock minutes at NT level now especially with how koeman has focused the team around key players. For example De Roons position could have been strengthen by experimenting with other players but koeman has relied on him for condiderable periods, making him a starter .im not saying he is bad but he is not the best either.

  23. This Dutch team is very good. You forget it’s still a good German team, I don’t care what anyone says about that.vthry dominated in the second half. Sometimes in sports it takes another half to adjust. But of course the users on this forum online filmovi sa prevodom being negative have no clue about sports.

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