PSV advances in negotiations with Peter Bosz to be its new coach

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by Tarcísio Neri

PSV Eindhoven is already running out of time to announce its new coach for next season. Peter Bosz’s name begins to gain even more strength internally and the deal with the 59-year-old coach should be finalized in the coming days.

It had been clear for some time that Peter Bosz was the main candidate on the Boeren board to succeed Ruud van Nistelrooij. Negotiations gained a greater speed this Thursday, after long talks over the course of this week. The main topics discussed between the PSV board and Peter Bosz were the formation of the coaching staff and squad, in addition to his personal contract.

Should Peter Bosz become PSV’s new coach, he will return to Dutch football after six years. In 2017, he left Ajax after one season to work for Borussia Dortmund. After that he also defended Bayer 04 Leverkusen and Olympique Lyonnais.

Since Peter Bosz was sacked by Olympique Lyonnais in October last year, his name has been linked heavily with AFC Ajax. Especially after the resignation of Alfred Schreuder earlier this year. He was seen as the ideal name to help Ajax rebuild, but by dismissing Alfred Schreuder, the Amsterdam club’s board preferred to end the season with John Heitinga and with that lost the Dutch Cup title and a place in the next UEFA Champions League.

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  1. I hope bosz has clause in his contract like koeman had if the NT job is up for grabs, he can leave.. he is inheriting a very good team and hope too seeing what he did at leverkusen. One player they have to retain all cost is Fabio Silva. PSV had to move on from luck de jong if they really want to compete at European level. Branthwaite departure could also mean reinforcement at the back.

  4. Per shuurs is the ideal replacement for De ligt…he is the king at Torino defense..liverpool is targetting him…i am waiting for the game…from what i heard bijlow will start,Botman for Deligt..front 3 Gakpo.-simons and Malen…Midefield koopmeiners will get nod over wijnaldum…we are going to have a 10 world class individuals in every spot starting for NT..except for dumfries who i see as poor skilled footballer with high work rate…dumfries should be better that Geetruida or Tete..
    -Simons——-Gakpo———-Malen
    ————koopmeiners————
    —Frenkie————-weiffer————
    Ake—Botman—Virgil—–dumfries
    ———–bijlow————————-
    i would prfer Timber for RB than dumfries…Timber is better at attack and defense than dumfries…

  8. I agree with wilson on the midfield battle with Croatia. I am sad to see Tijjani Reinders and delight out. It seems koeman has other players also in his minds for the future. This augurs well for Netherlands.

  26. Absolutely terrible. Van Dijk as a centre forward for the last 15 mins? Koeman is not the coach that will take us anywhere. Bijlow was good with his feet, but he is allowed to save shots – I’m not sure of anyone told him.

  27. Noppert would have saved that third goal. He is more lanky than bijlow.
    And to all those who were saying bijlow is good in Pks.

    This made be laugh.GK: Justin Bijlow – 5/10 – Didn’t do much wrong but conceded more goals than he made saves.

  33. I didn’t see the game but from the player’s rating, we played horrible. Only Weffer scored a 7.5 over 10. Everyone had either a 5 or below. WoW!!!

    1. You saved yourself the misery!!! You heart wouldn’t be able to handle the masterpiece that koeman gifted us 🙂

      It was a masterpiece also from our super stars gakpo and frenkie!!!!

      Frenkie was crying two days before the game that he needs to play these games before break so the 37 year old Modric who was so happy to gift his national team another final dominated him in midfield and provided a man of the match performance …. 37 year old
      Modric happily played , 26 year old frenkie cried because he had to play …. This difference in the mentality already told us who was going to destroy whom!!!!!’

  34. You have Veerman on the bench, then you brought Gio👎👎👎👎👎. Who does that? Koeman is claiming that Frimpomg isn’t good defensively, but what is Demfries good at? Nothing! I’ve watched him in the champions league final, he didn’t add any value to the game. What are we talking about here? The chance of us qualifying for the Euros is zero. You can’t beat Greece, you can’t beat Ireland. It’s time to move forward. Koeman is ancient history…

  35. I thought Koeman was better than this when he came back. Then I realized that this version is shocking bad after the first two matches. With him, we will miss Euro or just make it and lose all matches at Euros. There are so many bad things:
    1/ He cannot get the best out of his players. Players like FDJ and Gakpo are doing worse than how they did at their clubs.
    2/ He does not know how to use the best players available to him. Botman did not get a single minute despite being nominated for young player of the year in EPL. And he is eager to play. He did not know how to use Reijnders, Frimpong, Schouten and Doekhi, those are doing well this season.
    3/ His people management is terrible. He publicly slammed Frimpong for his defensive skill. And then take the team to consistently concede 4 goals. Holy moly. Koeman picked Blind, sent him home and took him back is ridiculous. It is like Koeman does not even know what to do.
    4/ His comment after the match just clarify the above. He does not know what to do. Simply he is bad.

    “There were clear moments that showed where we need to improve,” Koeman told reporters. They were just a bit smarter, a bit more secure in possession, and overall they deserved the win.”

    Yeah, they were a bit smarter because they do not put player who cannot run anymore (Wijnaldum), player who cannot score for months (Weghorst) and player who does not play at their club (Blind) into the team. When the game is neck to neck, you need bench options, and his bench option is just sad. This is not lesson for the team, it is lesson for him. But will he learn? He won’t. If anything in his coaching career show, it is that he is stubborn and unable to change and learn.

  36. I don’t think we should be too harsh. Croatia is a settled team for years now while we are still re-building in a way. I’m not saying Koeman doesn’t deserve criticism but you can’t legislate against two stupid penalty give aways. Gakpo was terrible in this match (from what I’ve seen) and when your 11 and 9 are playing this bad it’s hard versus a nation like Croatia.

    I think Bijlow was ok, I don’t think we saw howlers. The second Croatia goal was an error by Nathan Ake, for me. He was guarding the goal scorer.

    I liked Wieffer and Geertruida and I think Lang and Malen will only improve.

    I’m still not convinced of Koopmeiners on 10. I prefer to see Gakpo there or Lang.

    Anyway, we need to give Koeman (or whoever the coach is) some time. Qualify for Euros is the main goal.

    1. but koeman was harsh on us…lets forget the result or penalty???From th fisrt minute we were out played in midfeild..who was responsible for that,, ans koeman….Defense was leaky from first minute who was responsible for that ,ans koeman ..We wre poorly coached koeman is the only one responsible for that…
      We have defensive startwarts in the world ..Virgil,De ligt,De vrij,doekhi,shuurs,van de ven and timber… all are established CBs than geetruida…what kind of man is this ??he was scaked everywhere for a reason..when you ignore all established Cbs and best RB in bundesliga what you expect in right wing??/we lost at midfeild and right wing..the way we play was piss poor…that needs proper caoching and propper utilisation of players…i felt bad for wijnaldum and de roon what they can offer at this crunch match at 33 year old???…
      koeman must go,he is failure…at least under LVg defensively we were not bad..

  37. Van dijk is getting worse it seems from the world cup. Really needs to pull up his socks. Or else koeman nust not hesitate to bring botman in and really take a look at per Schuurs.

  38. @JeanV

    You and I share very similar viewpoints in regards to what Oranje has been reduced to because of bad appointments and bias.

    When it comes to Dumfries though, you and I couldn’t be more stark in our differences in opinion. I don’t understand why you’ve chosen to hone in, bile and all, on the deficiencies of Dumfries. I just don’t get it.

    Dumfries is easily our best performer in the biggest stage he’s found himself. Hands down our best player in the Euros and one of our better performers in the WC. Not to mention his consistency in qualifiers.

    Yes, he might not be as natural a player as you would like. He might lack a bit of guile and a whole ton of finesse but my word, does he ever makes up for it. No player puts in more graft than Dumfries. He is forever good for the odd goal and assist. Plus the fact that he is a decent defender with admirable 1v1 quality and we’ve got ourselves a winner.

    Dumfries is, without irony, the very least of Oranje problems.

    Koeman is our problem. Like his predecessors, he is probably too stubborn to learn from mistakes as someone suggested. The manner at which the team became so quickly disjointed in the second half without he making any effective substitution is deeply worrying.

    It’s okay for FDJ to float between the two central defenders as a means to access progression. It’s another story you expecting him to constantly battle defensively with Croatia attackers. And as far as I can tell, the FDJ experiment in that role has never worked. He flunked grade woefully in both the Euros and WC.

    Some may say it is as a result of the team style of play and as much as that may be true, the fact remains that he has graduated from boy wonder and has still totally failed to convince. That central midfield role is still a problem. And what we do with FDJ moving forward might provide the beginning of our answer.

    This was also a perfect game to have seen what Botman can do at this level. And of course koeman failed in that regard.

    Geetruida was one of our better performers but settling on him in a Blindesque fashion does not sit well with me. I would have love to see what Botman brings to the table not to mention the benefit of his personal experience towards building depth if even Geetruida is still the preferred choice.

  39. there was no klassen,no berghuis,no blind,no cillessen then who was the problem??
    1-koeman was the problem no1…poor coach..
    2-dumfries was problem,he lacks quality to attack,he runs and works hard,but thats not enough..
    3-geetruida is not good a doekhi,Devrij,timber or shuurs..i am forgetting de ligt..
    4-koopmeiners failed as no 10… We need a no 10 thats should be gravenberch or simons.or even gakpo.
    5-if frenkie and virgil whines they should be shown the bench..if frenkie is less inthisisatic about nations league why select him??/
    6–time to give Frimpong summerville and Lang more times as starters..also Rensch needs to get picked for bench…
    7-We need a visionary destroyer at DM. only Ake or timber at current squad can do that..if not matusiwa is the only option left..

  40. only positives are work rate and skills of weiffer and lang..i understand lang missed a sitter..i am concerned about quality drop..inefficasy of berjwin,dumfries,geetruida etc…they are average players…

  41. @ Orangutan- Koeman and the Dutch federation are definitely the problem. My point about Demfries is that, if I’m going to concede 4 goals every matches, I might as well play with Frimpomg. We are going to be in the doghouse for a long time. Despite better coaches, we need more skillful players all around. Unless you have a Lionel Messi, which we don’t have, we ain’t going nowhere with these guys. Oh by the way, Xavi Simons, is a media hype from the Netherlands. Totally overrated. If he leaves the Dutch league right now, he’s done.

  42. Greeting …Here I am again after 7 years…for a little while…The Croatian team is like some “turbo” Italy , with Germanic discipline and Balkan intelligence and cunning …and high level patriotism ..(and religion) ..and the natural strength of people ..A very good team for today
    times …….And those very little things make a difference too….Two penalties ? Croatian players faked falls ..but the Dutch players had neither the reflex nor the feel for that tricks ..in this..(weak one on one game ) The feeling of the body in football (in the total for 1 ) is more important than the tricks “learned in school”
    PS…And Jose…Beat Feyenoord again…..Has any dutch football team or dutch coach ever beat Jose Mourinho..? I do not know about such a thing ..
    Smart Mou was a “Dutch student ” (Van Gaal ..and B.R.) .He took what he needed from the Dutch football system …but he also saw big flaws of the Dutch football system.Look who knows how to play football naturally , strongly , who does not know to play naturally (in his choice) …He take what he needs , Wesley Sneider 2010..example….discard everything he does not needs and win …You works , he celebrates..
    I think Dutch team was good last year in the WCup….Maybe better than France and Croatia (against Argentina) ptrobably not for 1 but good……..but 0-4 against France and 2-4 yesterday…hot-cold-hot -cold…..

  43. Takeways:
    1. Koeman should be fired. Croatia was an easy game. They have only gotten 2nd and 3rd at the most recent WC’s and the final of nations league.

    2. Dumfries was the reason we lost. After playing a champions league final, its obvious hes not good enough to make our 23 man squad. Being tasked with defending 2 wingers (as perisic played LB), he was the reason our attack was no good. He should have left his position more to contribute to the attack. Its his hard feet thats the problem.

    3. Koeman should be double fired. Why did he tell gakpo and malacia to give away those penalties. I dont understand that coaching philosophy.

    4. We need to play 2 LCB and no RCB. Botman should have started at LCB which is VVD position. It makes no sense to play with a RCB.

    5. Xavi simons is finished. At 19 and the best player in the erevidisie, his best days are long behind him. Mark my words. He’s done.

    6. Blind was to blame more so than anyone else. Obviously.

    7. Koeman should be triple fired. Every good manager can instill his philosophy with only a couple days of training and new players coming in. Croatia have been building a system for 10+ years so koeman should easily have been able to compete with several days.

    8. Subs were horrible. We should have subbed on timber, noppert, and blind. Why we put on a tall striker, and our wingers is anyones guess? It makes no sense to put on our attackers when we are losing.

    9. Horrible scenes at the end of the game. The croatian fans were chanting LUKA! LUKA! Do they not know that true fans never EVER say positive things about their team or players!?!?!

    10. Our squad selection makes no sense. We should be playing guys out of position who havnt played there in years. Ake for Weiffer at CDM (weiffers good performance was just lucky). Summerville who cant start for leeds, van den boomen whos now at ajax, Piroe whos playing 2nd division, Gravenberch and danjuma who have been on the bench all season should all have been picked. We seem to be picking players that top managers on top clubs seem to rate highly and have gotten minutes. What a joke!

    11. Even though it was blind, klassen, taylor, berghuis, depay, de roon, and cillessen who were to blame for losing to france, we should not be happy that we dropped them from the starting line up. Thats only 7 players. Its time to get rid of weghorst, wijnaldum, VVD, Dumfries, bergwijn, koop, Bijlow. Thats 14 players we need to drop if we are to have any hope of winning any games. Literally every single nation will drop 14 players and immediately win a world cup. Why cant we?

    1. Positives…
      1-Koeman should be made as life time coach for NT..He was genuis he only conceded 8 gOALS..in 3 matches..LVG took so many games for that..
      2–koeman is a genius that he dropped botman,Deligt,timber,doekhi,shuurs,timber who are all starters and stars for their club only to nurture geetruida as CB…what master stroke,,
      3-koeman should be made as life time coach for NT as he sees De roon,wijnaldum as the back bone and future..
      4-koeman should be made life time coach for NT as needs 20 years to build up and he will evbery cup …just like croatian coach did..We should emulate koeman..
      5-koeman is CL winner as a caoch in many countries,he was never sacked as manager,he is the only one with that record in dutch coaches…so should be the life time coach for NT.
      6–He is concerned about defense and he drops frimpong who is a start at bundesliga,always safty first..he only condeded 8 in 2 games..
      7..koeman is the life time coach as he sees Blind,klassenDe roon has 15 years left in them…what a visionary..
      8..the stupid people asked him to drop 14 players includingf weghorst, wijnaldum, VVD, Dumfries, bergwijn, koop, Bijlow and he oppposed that and played them and got a great result…so koeman is tha man for years…

      1. @Emmanual – I get your using hyperbole but theres alot of things that are so inaccurate. My sarcastic blurb was based on what people have said.

        1. No one ever is advocating for LVG to be a lifetime coach.
        2. He cant drop timber twice…. He didnt drop de ligt (injury). Geertruida played semi well and has lots of big clubs interested in his potential. This blog is always talking about how we should invest in our youth but when we give geertruida 2 games, the coach is an idiot….
        3. By definition, the backbone would be starters. How can you say the backbone of a team is the guys on the bench…
        4. Do you not think experience and time spent together provides value? Perhaps theres a middle ground between life time coach and 3 games.
        5. Again, nonsense… pretty much every manager gets sacked at some point. No one is saying koeman is the best coach in the world or he should be the lifetime coach. Perhaps he deserves more than 3 games, 2 of which were against the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the world.
        7. Klassen and blind were dropped. blind came in for an injury only. What nonsense.
        8. Are you suggesting that we wouldve gotten a better result if we dropped those 14 players? What would be your squad with all the criticisms of players?

  44. We always rightfully complain about Daley, Gini and De roon when they start or get included in the team, but it is time to question the attitude of the ones who think are untouchables and super stars of the team and I specifically mean here frenkie de jong, did you guys compare the difference between him and Luka Modric who is his dads age yesterday ? Did you see how Modric played and dominated the field and put every drop of his sweat and blood on the floor till the last second as if he is the 26 year old one not the other way around? He was man of the match!!! Did you hear him complaining about this “tiny” tournament he has to partecipate in like frenkie did??? No of course he didn’t he was there for his nation giving it all and honouring the presence of those fans who travelled to come see their team play in Rotterdam, instead we had a whiny boy who thinks he already accomplished a lot even though his accompolishments so far are one la liga title that’s about it and a bunch of humiliations in champions league with Barca, meanwhile Modric is so full and saturated with champions league titles and one final World Cup and and a semi final World Cup for a nation of only 4 million people!!!!

    Do we remember the presence of frenkie in the Qatar World Cup? No we also don’t he was non existent!!!!!

    It is that difference in the mentality what makes a team go far and a team like oranje choke over and over when they have a chance to win at home infront of their fans and make up for the French humiliation three months ago!!!

    Excuses are always ready: players are exhausted as if Croatia players were sleeping for the past three months and didn’t also play competitive soccer in the same leagues 😂😂😂!!!! France game the excuse was oh we missed so many starters due to sickness , Croatia game excuse is oh Croatia had this same team around for a long time they’re nicely molded, next game excuse will be oh it is third place game players weren’t motivated, but in reality the problem is totally different and somewhere else! The problem is that these are a bunch of arrogant and overhyped players who are for the most part average with very few exceptions, they are not willing to put an extra bit of effort for their team they just play the basic passes and make just the minimum runs in the game none of them give you the feeling that he is a fighter for example , the dirk kuyts and the Edgar davids’s have totally dissapeared with these new generations, very shallow, low on talent and they lack any motivation to shine when it is time to shine, but hold on we still have one more game against Gibraltar in qualifiers that’s where they shine:), against these poor tiny nations of 20,000 people !!!! That’s the whole story , now for the level of incompetence koeman has we will need another round of comments for that….

    1. Well said, Alaa. A player like FDJ gets his cues from his environment. After all, if Blind is still in the frame of things, what does he really have to worry about?

  45. @Anthony
    1. Koeman should be fired. Croatia was an easy game. They have only gotten 2nd and 3rd at the most recent WC’s and the final of nations league…Nonsense excuse at home grounder played really bad,croatia with some better finsihers would ahve burried us..they were toying with dumfries and geetruida..
    2. Dumfries was the reason we lost. After playing a champions league final, its obvious hes not good enough to make our 23 man squad. Being tasked with defending 2 wingers (as perisic played LB), he was the reason our attack was no good. He should have left his position more to contribute to the attack. Its his hard feet thats the problem.—yes dumfries ends our forward movemnets,Dumfries is not cafu ,maldini or roberto carlos..Dumfries will be better replaced by Frimpong or Rensch..
    3.Koeman should be double fired. Why did he tell gakpo and malacia to give away those penalties. I dont understand that coaching philosophy…who asked koeman to play makacia as CB..what you expect then????
    4. We need to play 2 LCB and no RCB. Botman should have started at LCB which is VVD position. It makes no sense to play with a RCB.Nah wrong We need 1 LCB and 1 RCB we have Ake,botan,Virgil AS top dog LCBs..Devrij Deligt,Shuurs as RCB stupid koeman went with geetruida and 8 gaols conceded in 2 games when geetruida played as CB..

    5. Xavi simons is finished. At 19 and the best player in the erevidisie, his best days are long behind him. Mark my words. He’s done….Nah He is a no10 by natrual instinct ,he played out of position by genius koeman..
    6. Blind was to blame more so than anyone else. Obviously…nah nobody blames Blind for croatia loss

    7. Koeman should be triple fired. Every good manager can instill his philosophy with only a couple days of training and new players coming in. Croatia have been building a system for 10+ years so koeman should easily have been able to compete with several days…Not true Ten haag took just first two games to turn arround at Manu…Van gaal took over from Deboer whpo lost us vs a below par turkey team…he got us to WC

    8. Subs were horrible. We should have subbed on timber, noppert, and blind. Why we put on a tall striker, and our wingers is anyones guess? It makes no sense to put on our attackers when we are losing. agree on this…
    9. Horrible scenes at the end of the game. The croatian fans were chanting LUKA! LUKA! Do they not know that true fans never EVER say positive things about their team or players!?!?!..let them enjoy their day..

    10. Our squad selection makes no sense. We should be playing guys out of position who havnt played there in years. Ake for Weiffer at CDM (weiffers good performance was just lucky). Summerville who cant start for leeds, van den boomen whos now at ajax, Piroe whos playing 2nd division, Gravenberch and danjuma who have been on the bench all season should all have been picked. We seem to be picking players that top managers on top clubs seem to rate highly and have gotten minutes. What a joke!–nah not at all. if geetruida can play RCB why not ake as Dm or Timber..Stones is killing it at Man city…or playing berjwin out of his position..koeman played him on right,where not his position..so why not

    11. Even though it was blind, klassen, taylor, berghuis, depay, de roon, and cillessen who were to blame for losing to france, we should not be happy that we dropped them from the starting line up. Thats only 7 players. Its time to get rid of weghorst, wijnaldum, VVD, Dumfries, bergwijn, koop, Bijlow. Thats 14 players we need to drop if we are to have any hope of winning any games. Literally every single nation will drop 14 players and immediately win a world cup. Why cant we?..sadly we need to drop more but first dropping koeman is key

  46. All I can say about the last 75 minutes of the match is “Yikes!” As Pogo would have said (apologies to those of you who do not know that wonderful old comic strip), “We have met the enemy, and he is us.”

    As for anything I have to say, please consider the source, going into the match I thought Koopmeiners might be a decent stop gap for the 10 role. That didn’t work well.

    Nothing to do now but turn the page and look forward. Wieffer played well in a role that the NT has been trying to fill for some time now. Lang should start. I’ll be disappointed if Simons doesn’t start—he had a tough game, and it was almost predictable that he would; that an experienced, highly ranked Croatian side would cut him off from the ball and run him into blind alleys all night. But he has to play. To see if he learned anything, to see if he’ll bounce back, to give him a chance to redeem himself and get prepared for the Euro qualifiers—or, conversely, to find out whether he can make it at the top level. Seeing how Botman fares against Spain or Italy would be useful.

  47. Nothing much to say as I have said all this before and it all goes back to Van gaal , player preference and investment. The players that he opted to build the team around was not going to offer much in long run and in the following tenure of the incoming coach after him. This was also the case in 2014 when hiddink took over from him. His tatical play was based on the limited strengths of players like Blind, klaassen, De Roon, luckDjong, who were past their prime. Van Gaal preference not to rotate and not having big squad meant koeman would have to start from scratch. The late injection of new players like Lang, koopmeiners, Simons was not timely as well.

    Remember here this was not the case in 2018 as the spine of the team which koeman inherited like Van dijk, wijnaldum , frenkie, depay were in their absolute prime and had a good grip in the team in terms of giving a good balance, authority and all this was in build up to after math 2014 and continuous intervention of hiddink, blind and Advocaat. It took time and koeman came in with his expertise at the right time.

    I said this before the game even if Croatia wins, it’s acceptable as the team is going in the right direction and it can’t just happen overnight. If Lang would buried that second goal, the game could have changed. I agree the priority right now shud be to keep polishing the team with right players and qualify for EUros. If koeman fails it’s destined because like I said It’s gonna take time and for the players to lay stakes in the team. This will only come with more playing time together, good rotation and around right players.

    Being said this you have to admit the mistakes that koeman is making is amateurish. The French game and then again in this game with respect to the lineup. Simon as a winger and not AM, koopmeiners at AM. Frimpong conundrum is just ridiculous . I think this is where he will keep getting flagged and if things deteriorate further, It’s just logical to have a new incoming coach, new approach, new tatic. You simply can’t let this generation go to waste.

    As for the game again I have said a lot of time frenkie and koopmeiners together just doesn’t work. For me frenkie needs to be rotated. Vs Czech, vs Argentina, vs Croatia, he doesn’t leave up to expectation in crunch matches. When players like veerman gravenberch, Matusiwa are injected into the team I hope to see frenkie being subbed and if not rotate him with koopmeiners.

    Lastly the 3-4 place is of no value, just give others players the minutes vs Italy

    Lang- Gakpo- Malen

    Simons

    Veerman- Wieffer

    Malacia-Botman- Van Dijk- dumfries

    Noppert

  48. I must all say Iwas really disappointed with Malacia’s cameo. Conceding penalty aside his lateral/ back passing especially coming on to add more attacking threat was heart breaking. Being said this I think his time on the bench at man United has really taken a toll on him and I don’t think he can live up to expectation in a big games. I think that spot is up for grabs because Ake to is not typical LB you want to have. At city it’s a different story and he plays in the shadows of some of the best players in the business who provide him cover. He is fits into peps system and is technical enough . I mean if you look at his games or the final, he mostly is involved in those 1-2 yard passing and some bursting runs in the channels which is all what does. That is not the case in NT or where the role of typical FB is balance both between offensive and defensive duties.

    I hope Maatsen will be the solution to this problem. His trajectory has being good over the few years and next year playing in Premier league should be selection on the cards for him.

    1. Tyrell played as CB..he did a sliding tackle like a LB…like he used to…only a stupid with no football knowledge will blame Malacia..he was thrown to picth when Virgil was playing liek striker…stupid journalists can say anything…

  50. @Wilson, I like the lineup for the Third Place game; although I’d say replace VVD with Timber. VVD looks like a guy at the end of a long season; there is no utility to playing him, unlss, maybe the coach wants to see what a partnership with Botman (and VVD playing on the right side of CD) looks like.

    I watched a portion of the game again. Hindsight is 20/20, but starting Geertruida and deploying in a position where he went from CB to an extra midfielder, didn’t seem to work too well. When Croatia was on the front foot and pushing Oranje back, he didn’t look solid as CD. he didn’t bring alot to the midfield, either, he was more just an extra body. Mind you, I think he is a good player. Good right back, let him develop there. Not sure he is ready to play in a kind of libero position against a team like Croatia.

    Also, having Geertruida in a more forward position, meant that Dumfries was forced to play much deeper. Contrary to some others’ comments, though, I thought Dumfries did well defensively. He was often left on an island, and held up well. But playing as deep as he did curtailed his opportunity get forward, one his best attributes.

    1. Lets hope not…but, yes, Greece and Ireland are usually difficult at home. Let us hope that Greece doesn’t take anything away from the match in France on Monday.

    2. We are gurenteed the play off even after finishing below Gibralter..thats the gift from Van gaal for koeman…i wanted koeman to be sacked by tomorrow..He is having joe biden syndrome…doesnt know whats he is doing…Ron jans or evn ten gate would be a viable option…i want koeman to loose aginst Greece and ireland, which is very likely..that will good for NT..rather tha going with koeman to euro with hopeless mind,its better to sit in home…
      We need street smart shrewd manger…unfortunatly he is not…

  52. The thing with some of this smaller nations is they play simple style football and when they get to posses a good mix of average to good players they can make it count on a day.you can look at teams like morroco who surprised everybody at the world cup. Hungry at the euros. Japan is coming up. I would say they always are unpredictable. They always play high tempo free flowing soccer.(japan)

    Being said this it was obvious the croatia game was going to be decided in the midfield and then the modric factor. Apart from him Croatia is a descent team. If you look at players like pasalic and kramaric they are like always scavenging and just waiting for that one opportunity and when it arrives they are clinical and descive and this is where modric is such an instrumental figure for them creatively. You would also recall here how robben was central figure around NT just before he retired and how the team used to bank on him. Blind era. I also looked at their lineup vs Argentina at the world cup whom they lost comfortably. 3 changes at most

    For the dutch you have to admit they are in a transition phase in the after math of van Gaal and I think koeman switching to 4-3-3 needs to address key issues going forward and one of them would be assessing all the games this far and contemplateing whether to continue with 4-3-3 or build the team around the strengths. well let’s see how the game goes vs Italy and in which changes must come I must say otherwise till now things look all stray.

    There is no flow on the flanks as both Simon and malen are not typical wingers who can run riot out and out about . Malen had few good interventions on counter offensive but then he often stopped after making good runs and passed back killing the whole counter offensive. He couldnt go outside and come up with crosses or penetrate coming around in the box. On the right Simons was just ineffective. Again it goes back to koeman descision of starting him there instead of at AM. I cant recall if I said it here or on another forum that in eredivisie he gets time and space ( eredivisie tempo) to show his class and that wont be the same elsewhere especially when he is still young.he should have been deployed in the centre with his quick feet to link up with the forwards. I also remember saying lang is more technical then him and that’s exactly what happened when lang came on. Came up with good crosses, scored but also missed a sitter. Lang and danjuma shud be a solution on the left for koeman but on the right its remains to be seen with more games if malen can be firstly be consistent and secondly make more impact from the flanks and not only when in the box ( second strike). Perhaps more chemistry between him and fullbacks.There ain’t much natural options either there as no other of other wingers are effective on the right. Bergwijn apart from that one wasted chance was not effective and we already have seen him there at ajax when schruder deployed him on the right??? For lang he can play there but he likes to drift alot and all over the park ( warrior instinct) and sometimes ends up leaving his space (void) and encroaching into others. Well it could work if you both wingers can switch simaltanously but then again it comes back to who can play with lang and can be effective from both flanks .maybe start malen on left and lang on the right so both can switch continuously.

    This has to be major decsion making point whether to continue with 4-3-3 or look at the wing back system which can utilise the wing backs and has been effective thus far with Dumfries and with frimpong also waiting anxiously in the background and maatsen on the horizon . I think its a no brainer to switch if there ain’t much success going forward with 4-3-3. The CB options are also stacked in this regard and in the midfield wieffer can pair up frenkie in the final piece of the puzzle.

    With this words let’s see what’s in store vs Italy and whether koeman has picked up his mistakes. I’m was surprised Mancini benched pellegrini for spinizola vs Spain and wondering if it was tatical or just injury. I think its gonna be a good game as Italy to is in a transition phase.

    Malen- Gakpo- Lang

    Simons

    Veerman- Wieffer

    Ake- Botman- van dijk- Dumfries

    Noppert

    1. Both Dumfries and Ake are not so great at going forward..we need better players for that…They should be used as stop gap players only…Real guys for the left are MAlacia,Hartman and Maatsen….Also on right its Frimpong ,Rensch and Van ewik….thats teh good luxurius pool we have….koeman should go 4231 jsut like BVM did…He has teh players for that…Our mid feilders are so soft,neither they are creative ,there is no scoring mids…there is no one with stamina or extra lungs..
      We should try to fit Ake,Jurien timber and weiffer for main DM..offcourse and average RCB like geetruida can do that then,ake mand Timber can do it better…thats simple logic…
      our mids are to be found…i like Quinten timber,he has lungs,he can carry the ball,he can dribble,he can give visionary pass,he can win the ball,he can be box to box like davids..i feel jurien also can do this…
      So mids should have fighting charactor which Timber brothers has…
      Frenkie,Weiffer,Gravenberch,Timber jurrien,Timber quinten,koopmeiners/simons…6 nos
      Also time to add Joel piroe,Dalinga,summerville in to forwward line…
      We have no one in right wing.
      Lang,Summerville,Gakpo,Dalinga,Depay(for some time if fit),Malen.

  53. I dont see the future of Timber and geertruida bright in 4-3-3and hence no use dwelling on them. In 3 man backline yes. De ligt will be around for long and given the options on the left, Ake, Botman, Mvven, it’s in the best intrest to shift van dijk to the right and have him as de ligt’s backup or vice versa.

  54. A few words about when Netherlands will win the World Cup ,what it takes …(in my opinion)…To be number 1 . It is like a picture of a broken sword that you need to put back together.And that is the biggest problem ..(you can not stick it with glue)
    I saw that with Van Gaal in Qatar…The geometry of space is perfect (as in theory) ..It is one of part of the sword …The basis ….(but something else seemed to be missing (just to beat the best teams for sure).
    The second part of the sword is : the choice of players , the lines who suits whom , who disagrees …psychology ,soul…people power ..natural feel for the game…intuition ..have street smarts and cunning (and be honest)…just a million conditions…etc
    When the Dutch team puts those two pieces together,no one will be able to stop Netherlands from winning the World Cup ..It is , maybe close. …but maybe it will never happen …it is (often) like some belief without hope …
    Ronald Koeman was good in qualifying for Euro 20/21. I think Dutch team will qualify for Euro 2024..but any team can be tough “if they feel blood”….France and Didier Deschamps …Student of Marcello Lippi (Italy) ..strength, athletics…counterattacks ….Louis Van Gaal with his Ajax also had a problem with it in the nineties..
    Croatia . But if Croatia had met France again in the final (last year) they would have won this time …But they also brag a lot (Croatians)…”The Croatian team does not need a single player from the Netherlands or Spain “..say their analysts..
    But if Spain beats them tomorrow it will be a different story
    Croatia and Italy are good training for the Dutch team

  55. i dont what this clown has in store for dutch NT…as a person who follows Frimpong i feel gutted for the guy…dumfries and Geetruida are no where near frimpong….apart from forwards we are having super starrs in other departments…
    —————Noppert/Bijlow/Sherppen/Verbruggen——————

    Frimpong/Rensch/Van ewik for RB
    shuurs,deligt,doekhi,timber for RCB
    Virgil,botman ,ake,Van de ven for LCB
    Malacia/Hartman./Maatsen for LB
    ————————————————
    Jurein timber.Quinten Timber,weiffer,Matusiwa,Frenkie,Veerman,Boomen,tijjani,koopmeiners and Gravenberch for midfeild……
    —————————————————
    We are stacked at mid and defense
    then forwards
    Joel piroe,thijs dalinga,Summerville,Lang,Depay,Gakpo,Simons,Berjwin..only thin line is forwards…

  66. Dutch team plays something like “forward pressure for nothing”….mistakes follow , and you get “goals for nothing ” and you have ” two chances for nothing”…Hard science is mathematics ..Netherlands is fighting and honest .but ..I,m afraid…it is something like the training match ..summer 1996 ..Ajay -Juventus 0-6….

  67. I like to think I’m normally pretty positive of the team and try to support the coaches and their vision. But this Geertruida experiment needs to stop. Also, I think Van Dijk’s position needs to be up for grabs, Botman-de Ligt could be better.

  68. What I will say if it was average team like Poland, Austria, Sweden , Bosnia, comfortably NT would have won . In a way both these games have set a good bench mark as to where the bar shud be

    It’s not going to get any easy from here onwards for koeman. The main feature or highlight ( has become) the lateral and back passing. They need to build up from the middle and they need a good creative midfielder who can control the game linking up up with the forwards. Simons is still young and in experience and his time will. The midfield revolves around frenkie and everything is happening at the back. There is a need for atypical AM to control and dictate play linking up with the forwards. Who ???? I think Simons did penetrate through few times. One was on that gakpo miss. That’s how you bring strikers into the game.

    Depay’s return solve the striker issue temporally. it again goes back to how the team is revolves around on certain key players player and how the team start struggling when they are not available. There also is a need for Good RW as everything looks to going on the left. Malen and bergwijn are not fluent enough to lead the attack from the right. They only show flashes of brilliance when presented with opportunity (space and time only. )

  70. i used to advocate for Malen..i wont do it any more..this match i wanted NT to loose 4-0 badly to kick out koeman,he is a poor coach and i have no hope under him…Malen was piss poor at work rate,he betrayed team..Berjwin is not great ,he has only 60 minute play in him only, after that he willran out of gas..But he works hard helps dumfries,whether he scores gaols or not ;but it helps the balance in defense which will win you games..sorry Malen you should be out like danjuma who also does same,,poor work on feild…
    Time for summerville at right wing with berjwin..
    Virgil a and Frenkie need to be tought that they are not untouchable,its high time to make them know that..
    also bijlow is not ready or not enough..Noppert or Verbruggen is the man..

  71. Gakpo———Depay————Summerville
    ———–Gravenberch——————-
    —-Frenkie———–Timber—————-
    Ake—–Botman——Deligt——Frimpong
    ————Noppert———————-
    on bench
    Lang———-Piroe————Berjwin
    ————simons———————
    —-koopmeiners——-Weiffer————–
    Malacia—-Virgil—Shuurs——-Rencsh——-
    ———–Verbruggen————————
    22 nos —and anotherc 4 squad members
    Dumfries,Veerman,Flekken,Dalinga…

  72. Gakpo and Lang are effective when they play as left wingers…Calvin stengs is slowly getting back to his form,also there is a hope Ruben van bommel,sahqeel van persie will be better wingers..Not forgetting ernste Baku and strike Mees meerdink..

  73. And finally “Italian victory for nothing”…Sorry, third place….o.k….The Dutch team played much much better in the second half….a real pleasure for the eyes in the moments .On the whole ,the Netherlands practically defeated itself…(not for the first time ) but this kind of game might be good enough for weaker teams… for qualifying Euro 24….It should be
    In Munich 1974 World Cup …the Netherlands was the best team in the tournament (and in the world) …They had everything they needed for win …and in the final they practically beat themselves …Symbolically it is a “broken sword” ..(the damage done was repaired in 1988…but it is not like being number 1 in the World Cup )
    (PS…Argentina -Netherlands (1974)…it could have been 10,15-0 for Netherlands …Best game I have watched ..Argentina with .M.Kempes , Leo Luque..Ayala.. was not weak team …plus Independiente was a finalist in the Intercontinental Cup in 1974…with Ayala in Atletico Madrid..)…etc..

  74. Another embarrassment. Very poor coaching. The impression that I get is that Dutch national coaches are competing with each other on who would play 433 and who – 532. There are no other ideas and there are no other approaches, no creativity, no courage. All young generation Dutch coaches are busy in their clubs and would not take Oranje because they would not like to risk their career. KNVB is not courageous enough to bring an experienced foreign coach who would crap on “playing Dutch football” and piss on opinion of Dutch media and fans. I said that many times and will repeat it again, the breakthrough in Dutch national football will happen only if we bring a new foreign coach. Koeman has already crapped himself: forget about European qualification with him. Half of this current team should be dismissed including VVD, FDJ, Memphis etc and Koeman will never do that. This is going to be the same story as with Hiddink. Coaches like Ancelotti, Scolari, Zidan, Nico Kovac, Erneste Valverde etc. will make some difference. Unfortunately, it is hard to expect that any above-mentioned coach will want to take over Oranje but it is still worth to try. I am afraid after Koeman is dismissed, KNVB will bring Frank de Boer. It is like going around the circle. De Boer- Blind-Van Gaal-Koeman – De Boer. It is mind blowing how ineffective and careless KNVB is.

  75. There is still time to save the Euro qualification and Frimpong. Sack Koeman now so that new coach has time to clean up his mess. He inherited the same team that LVG does. The team that fight with world champion to penalty. And look at what he has done so far.

    Knowing this KNVB, they will think like this. we lost against Euro winner, no big deal. Next up, we also lose against 2004 Euro winner? No big deal. And then How come we do not qualify for Euro? Let bring back Frank De Boer, he had better win rate than Koeman.

  76. 360 7 minutes ago
    Issues and problem

    Inexperience and depth

    have to agree some of this new players simply lack that depth factor right now and will require clocking more minutes at NT level to lay their stakes more in the team. This is the only way to build the team around them. Simons did give his 100% as usual, his work rate, on the ball movement, link up was good but as AM you have to move around and he seems to station more on that left side instead of drifting laterally on the right as well. At times he also didn’t drop in the middle and remained high with no one in the middle to link up from the back. You could see him and Lang stationed just few yards away on the left and when the ball came to the either they were all congested and the typical back and lateral passing resulted from it.

    Solution- his time will come with more playing time. Needs to overall fine tune his game and start dictating like a general.

    For Wieffer I don’t blame him, he was victim of koeman stupid copy cat tatic of pep which backfired miserably. Vs France especially where koeman was forced to abundant the same tatic and switch Timber and Geertruida, Wieffer looked more productive

    Solution- Koeman shud just stop this tatical madness if not just drop himself out. With de ligt available Wieffer shud be ok.

    2. The needs for a good RW​

    The Dutch has so many quality wingers but hardly anyone can play fluently on the right. Malen shows flashes of brilliance and for him to shine, like at Dortmund the fullbacks needs to be high playing high line. The tatical setup or approach by koeman restricted dumfries from playing high as he had provide cover up for Geertruida whom was given the license to move further up into the midfield instead and further also requiring Wieffer to move further up as well. This just messed that right flank.

    Bergwijn is also not the solution either. I have long said this. He thrives on speed and in space. Typical goal from him but in tighter games, you cant have much expectation from him especially on the right. Average teams yes.

    solution- koeman needs to contemplate now whether he invests or look for a more natural right winger or resort to wingbacks under whom there has been more success and also given frimpong is also waiting in the back ground anxiously. I think this will also complement Malen.

    3.Striker conundrum​

    gakpo needs time to adopt playing upfront . I think he is still coming up at Liverpool being deployed as center forward and the more he plays there more the better for him

    Depay shud solve this issue temporarily when he returns but injuries to him will continue to be a problem from a build up perspective. Atleast he can be better option of the bench or vice versa depending on Gakpo development or unless somebody else makes a break through

    3.GK​

    no more bijlow

    sloution

    noppert but at the same time not playing competitively is always going to pop question marks about his credibility

  77. Depay

    Gakpo- Malen

    Koopmeiners- Frenkie- Wieffer- Dumfries

    Ake- Van Dijk- De Ligt

    Noppert

    Subs

    Dumfries- Frimpong
    Depay/ Gakpo- Danjuma/ Lang
    Ake- Botman
    Malen- Simons

    Atmost

  79. I think Dutch national team should be built based on Eredivisie players and ones that play in major European leagues but with right attitude. Every line should have a strong leader. Attack should be built around Weghorst. Memphis needs to retire from Oranje. Midfield should be built around Koopmeiners. FDJ should let go as his presence is the reason why Koopmeiners is not effective now. Koopmeiners also should be a captain of Oranje. Wingers and midfield should constantly supply Weghorst with the ball and he will find the way to net the goal. Central defense should be built around Botman and players of his physic. VVD has right attitude but after some injury players cannot any longer play at that level. Remember what happened to Strootman? With respect to a goalkeeper, Noppert is the best option what we have now. Any player that do not show right attitude should be left behind. Finally, no Dutch coach.

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