Introduction
On 20 October 2025, the blog of the soccer-history-focused site SoccerNostalgia announced the release of Episode 221 of its companion podcast “Soccernostalgia Talk Podcast”. In this installment the hosts interview two specialists: Jan Roskott (of DutchSoccerSite) and Dutch sports historian Jurryt van de Vooren. They focus on one of the great turning-points in football history: the Netherlands national football team of the 1974 FIFA World Cup 1974 and its broader impact.
Why This Episode Matters
- Specialist Guests
- Jan Roskott: Connected to DutchSoccerSite, he brings a dedicated focus on Dutch football history.
- Jurryt van de Vooren: A professional sports historian from the Netherlands, author of books and articles on Dutch sports & football history.
Having both of them in conversation ensures that this isn’t just nostalgia or anecdote, but a depth of historical and cultural insight into the Dutch team.
- The 1974 Netherlands Team
The Dutch team of 1974 remains a landmark in footballing style, tactics and influence. By picking this as their subject, the podcast anchors itself in a moment that continues to resonate beyond its era. - Format & Accessibility
The episode is available across major platforms: the blog provides links to Spotify and Apple Podcasts. The accessibility means fans of football history globally can engage.
What the Episode Covers
While the blog announcement itself is brief, we can infer a number of key themes based on the guest expertise and subject matter:
- Tactical innovation: The Dutch of 1974 pioneered what would later be called “Total Football”. Exploring how that formation, mindset and player flexibility worked in practice is likely a large part of the discussion.
- Cultural & historical context: Beyond tactics, the team’s impact on Dutch national identity, football culture, and how it influenced other nations is something a sports historian like van de Vooren would bring.
- Personal stories & anecdotes: With Jan Roskott on board (via DutchSoccerSite), there may be lesser-told stories from the era—players’ backgrounds, media perceptions, the build-up to the tournament.
- Legacy & relevance: The discussion likely reflects on how the 1974 Netherlands team laid foundations for future football, how their ideas were taken up elsewhere, and what modern teams can still learn.
What Listeners Gain
For anyone interested in football history, especially the Netherlands, this episode offers:
- Insightful expert commentary from two guest specialists.
- A detailed look at a pivotal tournament and team—in this case, the Dutch in 1974.
- Contextualisation: not just what they did on the pitch, but why it mattered.
- Accessible listening: available via Spotify/Apple Podcasts, with follow-up info in the blog post. (Apple Podcasts)
How This Fits into the Podcast Series
The Soccernostalgia podcast clearly positions itself as a deep-dive series into football’s historical moments. Looking at the blog archive and podcast page: previous episodes cover a range of subjects—from the USA clubs in the CONCACAF Champions Cup to Spain’s national team in 1985-86. (Apple Podcasts)
This episode (221) thus represents the series’ commitment to both depth and diversity: choosing an era (1974), a nation (Netherlands), and bringing expert voices to enrich the narrative.
Why Football Fans Should Tune In
- Global football heritage: Understanding how the Netherlands influenced modern football gives perspective when watching current tournaments.
- Comparative culture: Other nations have theirown rich footballing history; hearing how another football-power (the Netherlands) developed something transformative may prompt reflections on style, identity, and evolution.
- Learning and storytelling: Even if one knows the basics of the ’74 team, the episode likely uncovers lesser-known facts, enriching the storytelling around the sport.
Conclusion
Episode 221 of the Soccernostalgia Talk Podcast is a noteworthy listen for anyone fascinated by classic football, tactical evolution, and the cultural dimensions of the game. With expert guests Jan Roskott and Jurryt van de Vooren, the episode promises both authority and engaging narrative about the Netherlands’ 1974 World Cup squad—a team whose influence still echoes in football today.
Hahaha thanks Johan, this is always fun. I do have a bombshell newsfact in here about the World Cup 1974. Something both other podcast members knew but I wonder if you guys know?
Lets test it: why should Holland not have gone to this World Cup?
Any ideas?
Hate to show my age, but are you talking about that disallowed goal that today’s VAR would have given? Against Belgium?
Thanks for posting the link, Johan, looking forward to viewing.
Yes sir!
OT, but this is just too good:
Go Ahead Eagles 2-1 Aston Villa
Amazing game!!
@ Jan
You see there is a 17 year old kid playing for Bayern? His name is Lennart Karl. He is very talented and he is already scoring goals.
I guarantee you he will be part of the German squad for the WC. R Koeman would not ever do that. He continues to bring the same old Menphis Depay, Weghorst. Why can he call Kess Smit? He is not going to do that.
Have discussed this on the what’s app forum. Just pasting this from there.
“Bayern contingent have been a force for the German team and Lenart Karl looks to be the next addition after pavlovic. They are always lagging but come WC are able to bounce back to being contenders. With all musiala, gnabry, writz, kimmich and new boys pavlovic and Lenart . They will surely be in the mix for title contenders. I think they had striker issues but now they have it. That Newcastle frontman”
Nice post Jan..Yes Jurryt is right you gotta win something..since 1974 Argentina has 3 world cups that hurts more..i do understand 1978 and 2022 was corruption result…
These days its hard to follow eredivise live from India..I watch less of eredivise games..i am not interested much in Real-barca league and Bayern league…it takeaway all the pleasure from me.i try to follow FC como for addai..i keep close eye on our players at EPL..
Geetruida started first game for sunderland and they beat the shit out of chelski…i Geetruida had an excellent game,but yeah with in initial 10 minutes he made a mistake and almost lead to chelski goal..other than that he was so press resistant playing from back.. Though center defense is not his strength ,he should concentrate on right back spot,We need him as back up for Timber at 433 system..
Robin roefs is high flying at EPl,perhaps the best keepr at EPL..some of his games are unreal..He looks like a killer shot stopper and penalty killer..i think he is better than verbruggen,,sunderland is second in EPl only due to him..Absolute rock…
Arnie slot can not take his head from the A##s of Gakpo the one trick pony and selfish salah..Salah is so selfish and he is only good when team plays for him…Also kerkez and Frimpong are not fit for 433 sytem..they are perfecto wingbacks..Arnir doesnt realise it..if he stays stubborn like Ten haag soon he will be sacked…
Nice to see Deligt Dominating over Van dijk ..De ligt is warrior while
There is is meme going viral about Van dijk twerking defense..He is on decline,De vrij is not at all regular,he hardly plays..one side Van dijk is showing twerking skills while Deligt is colossal at united..Van hecke is regular star for brighton…Van de ven is scoring and perhaps Gabriel,Saliba,Van de ven and De ligt are the best center backs of EPL..
i was so glad to see liverpool loosing more precisely Van dijk loosing to Deligt..Just to notify koeman..Slowly but setadily Dumfries is also getting bootout at inter..He gets subbed often now..thats a positive sign..
Timber is no nonsense best right back in the world,part of best defensive line up in the world..
simons is having dip,while kluivert is excelling at burnmouth..
Frimpong has hamstring injury and he will be out for a month..So forget Frimpong for november games..Addai also just back from injury..needs playing time..He scored vs Fiorentina winner and slowly becoming a starter at FC como..injury happened at bad time..
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNgWXTttEri/?igsh=MWxwbjduMHRhaHY4MQ==
Looks like a talent
@ Jan
Re lennart Karl
Had discussed this on the what’s app forum. Just pasting this from there.
“Bayern contingent have been a force for the German team and Lenart Karl looks to be the next addition after pavlovic. They are always lagging but come WC are able to bounce back to being contenders. With all musiala, gnabry, writz, kimmich and new boys pavlovic and Lenart . They will surely be in the mix for title contenders. I think they had striker issues but now they have it. That Newcastle frontman”
I also kind of skeptical about Van dijk especially with Koeman cruzing through the qualifiers and without facing bigger opponents where it can be revealed on what’s his status.
Critics will say experience is important and Van dijk may be still be valuable but you cannot ignore his decline at Liverpool.
Also with the fact that most teams at World Cup will better and competent than during qualifiers.
Also liverpools woes atm is attributed to the midfield as well. And again in NT how formidable the midfield can be providing protection in front of the CBs will be another factor. Once again this will be on showcase vs component teams and those who head to head have better players in the same positions. Koeman has been brewing the midfield around Gravenberch and Frenkie but the duo hasn’t shown any promising performances and again vs bigger teams which they haven’t played. I hope they play some big teams before the WC.
I’m also wanna say this now. If koeman uses Timber at CB just to accommodate dumfries. I mean that would be a dumb move until it backfires and they are eliminated and then Koeman will make dodging excuses.
De ligt is giving some good performance at United. Vannheckie is playing regularly at Brighton. Koeman needs to make some sensible discussion.
De Ligt at the National Team is not a big succes, looks like the weight of the jersey is to much for him…. Lets see how he will do this season at his team and if he stays fit.
@Johan you have short Memory..When did we last beat a Top team with Van dijk +De vrij/Van hecke/Timber as RCB?..De ligt started at NT vs Bulgaria with a joker Bruno martins indi…then had a red card VS Czec rep at euro 2020..
But 2019 nations league We beat Germnay,france,England and reached final only to loose vs protugal 1-0..De ligt wa sinstrumental in all those games…With him We beat portugal 3-0 in a friendly,thats also rare thing..
What was De vrij and van djjk doing at ole watkins goal??euro2024?..what was Blind and van dijk doing Molina goal VS arjetina..Howmany matches we lost to france with De vrij and vandijk recently..
We had lost to everymatch we played vs big teams and Deligt was absent or in bench those games.from 2022 December onwards..
Deligt is sensational at united.he was let down by others liek onana joker,bayndir and defenders….Now with leny yoro and Senne lammens ,they have better defense than any one in EPL..only Arsenal has better defense than them..While van dijk is twerking and throwing team mates under the bus..
However i do agree that Van dijk de ligt combo may not work….
At present our best LCB is micky van de ven,RCB is Deligt period…Not Van dijk..he looks complacent..
Timber has only one weakness he is short,can get out muscled or out jumped by Haaland ,Ektike,Darwin nunes etc…Timber is too good ,he can even play as goal keeper,thats how talented he is..
Gakpo doesnt track back,So does Salah,Arnie slot is F@#3kedd…Kerkez is defensively fragile,Frimpong is frigile as right full back,,he is a pure winger..Arnie is F@##ed…Virgil is twerking,konate is making mistakes,Gravnberch injured,Mac alister is not fit…things are tough for Arnie slot…sooner he bench Gakpo,salah and kerkez better for him..or else i can see slot gets sacked ..
Liverpool is f$#%cked if they kick Arne out. The issues Liverpool have is not due to Arne’s decision making. Slot is a cool headed analyst of the game.
They lost 3 games in the EPL due to late conceded goals and Liverpool not converting chances. These two games could have been won.
They lost versus Galatasaray due to a very soft penalty. They could have drawn that based on the game play and for a CL game that is fine. You don’t need to win them all as last season demonstrated (Liverpool finished #1 in the group and drew PSG!!).
The Brentford game is the only match they really deserved to lose.
The Carabao Cup loss is the result of squad rotation, due to Villa, Madrid and City on the roster. Smart management and who cares about the Carabao Cup, right?
Arne will not have been in charge of recruitment. He will have said YES to the signings, of course, but I am 100% convinded he wanted Guehi as well and potentially other centre backs. He didn’t get them. I am convinced he will never say this out loud in a presser, to protect the internal situation at Liverpool.
He had to deal with injuries and fitness issues from day 1 ( MacAllister, Gravenberch, Isak, Robertson, Bradley, Frimpong, Becker) and has been trying to integrate newcomers like Kerkez, who will need some time.
Liverpool can make the same mistake as Man United post Sir Alex and just knee jerk react to every bad spell, or put their chips on Arne for the long run.
They might not win the title this year, but laying a strong foundation while slowly replacing stalwarts like Mo, Virgil, Robertson and Becker will be key in the next two seasons.
Ha ha @ Jan its funny your explanations for losses..did you watched those games in full?i doubt….Arnie locks so stubborn..Who cares about the loss at carbao cup?..No one..its all about continuous losses.
its all about Arnie who decides the team 11 and tactics ,he has failed this season like a child..The terrible decisions he made and stood by it..
His lame excuse after Man united loss..As they came to play long ball and won..ha ha ,,is nt look childish??..
Why Arnie will get sacked.
1- Sticking on one trick pony Gakpo at left will limit the success of the team..He dont press ,this is modern day football and gakpo has to press..unless he is messi or maradona.
2-Salah is shi@t from day 1 of this season,and playing him every match,will he bench salah?..if dont bench him sacking will be sooner..Salah doesnt track back or press…that means ,you are not helping ur team and defense…
3-Mac alister is injured ,then he has Endo with gravenberch…Gravenberch was fit till that Man united game..So no excuse for gravenberch injury..
4-He never starts with Endo or chiesa,or even he benched Ektike for Isaac ,i mean inform ektike..
5-His full backs are non existent,Kerkez.Bradley,Frimpong none cannot play as full back,none can defend,where was he at the time of recrusitment?
6-Why did he signed issac when he had chiesa and partial striker Gakpo or a make shift striker salah with him?/instead of guehi?
Liverpool has money ,they are ambitious,they have good team at office,they will replace Slot with a better one..
i can see them loosing to spurs if Gakpo and Salah starts and Van dijk will his team mates under the bus after twerking….Spurs defense is much better than liverpool,Van de ven-Romero combo is much better than Virgil-konate..and full backs there is no comparison..
Goodness me, the level of ignorance is devastating….
1. I did watch the games in full
2. The Carabao Cup was used – as per usual – for the squad members who don’t play often. Most teams do this. Arne had Villa, Madrid and City waiting so he decided to gamble for the least interesting trophy. Smart management.
3. Gakpo does what Gakpo has been doing for all his career, in Liverpool, PSV and Oranje.
4. Salah scored the first against Villa
5. Ekitike is the only striker atm as Isak is not fit. He is not putting too much on Hugo because…. Madrid and City coming up
6. Liverpool wanted Guehi and almost had him but Palace decided to block it due to their failed signing of a replacement. Try to keep up with the news.
7. Why Isak?? Because they lost 3 attackers, in case you missed it: Lucho, Darwin and tragically Diogo Jota. So in came Rio (from the youth system and before this Chelsea), Hugo and Isak.
Hey look at Jan Your Excuses are devastatingly shocking ..
1. I did watch the games in full.
Ans: Thank you for clarification,i understand your compatriotism is defending Arnie..Thats cool..I couldnt find another logical reason for those losses..
2. The Carabao Cup was used – as per usual – for the squad members who don’t play often. Most teams do this. Arne had Villa, Madrid and City waiting so he decided to gamble for the least interesting trophy. Smart management.
Ans;-Nobody takes carbao cup seriously,So why insisting carbao loss?..its all about serial losses Vs other teams.infact that team played real good football,yeah with few mistakes from defense they lost..infact the better game in last 7 games,i saw from pool..
3. Gakpo does what Gakpo has been doing for all his career, in Liverpool, PSV and Oranje.
Ans;-Gakpo does what Gakpo do,he never changes,one trickpony..thanks for agreement..Arnie will suffer if he doesnt bench him.Pool and oranje will suffer from that when you meet a quality team in knock outs…
4. Salah scored the first against Villa
ans:- Only game salah played good in this season out of 10 games..
5. Ekitike is the only striker atm as Isak is not fit. He is not putting too much on Hugo because…. Madrid and City coming up
Ans:- why play unfit Issak??Just make his injury worse??or why not cheisa??
6. Liverpool wanted Guehi and almost had him but Palace decided to block it due to their failed signing of a replacement. Try to keep up with the news.
ans;-Wanted is always wanted..its all “”if “””..wanted iis differet and getting done id different..IS guehi is the only good defender in the world?…my question was why siging Ektike and issac together? when you are short of a defender?
7. Why Isak?? Because they lost 3 attackers, in case you missed it: Lucho, Darwin and tragically Diogo Jota. So in came Rio (from the youth system and before this Chelsea), Hugo and Isak…
ans:-They already singed Writz for luiz dias,eketike for darwin,then they had chiesa for Jota..They had Gakpo,Rio Ngumoha.what else they need??Issac and ektike cannot play together..Just to bench one of most dangerous striker on bench??
Hi all, I am sorry I am not frequenting the blog as often as I want (life happens while you’re busy making other plans)….
I do want to comment on Jean’s comment on the previous post. I will copy his comments here and respond to it.
“So far in terms of our team performance you’ve been wrong all the time. I’ve watch Wales playing against Belgium last week. If we have Wales in our group for the WC qualifiers, we don’t go no where. Saying that we might win this WC is delusional. We can barely beat Lithuania. You have way to big expectations for a team that can’t even beat Lithuania.
Now on Koeman: I never said Keoman wasn’t a great player. It is a matter preference. In my best 11 I would picked Jaap Stam over Koeman any day. By the way Jaap Stam scored higher that Koeman on any list of Dutch Central back of all time.
On F De Jong: The guys is already 28. He still has not exploded. He hasn’t done much for the NT. His contribution at the last WC was very minimal. At Barcelona, Pedri is one that every one is talking about not De Jong. Van Basten and others have criticized him. In my opinion F De Jong has reach the celling. To be honest the only solid players the Dutch NT have and can and will deliver are Timber and Gravenberch. Van Dijk is on the decline and that is expecting, F De Jong still hasn’t rose to the expectations, Gakpo isn’t consistent, Dumfrees we all know is very or below average, Depay is done and I’m sure why he is still our starter, Malen and all the rest are simply not consistent. When you have a team like that and a coach like R Koeman please lower your expectations Jan.
Oh by the way, every countries are progressing except us. Look at Morocco my friend. They haver the semi final in the last WC, they have already qualified and the u20 just won the WC. Please, stop pretending that you are the biggest soccer expert out there.”
Dear Jean, it’s ironic that you claim that I want to be the biggest soccer expert… It’s called football.
Anyway, you need some historic context.
Quality of qualifying tells me nothing. Best example: 1974. We shouldn’t even be at that World Cup. We were dreadful in qualifying and lost 5 or 6 central defenders but we did end up in West Germany and dazzled the world. In JC’s words: “We may not have won it, but 50 years later, people still talk about us, not about that West Germany team.”
Back in 1974 and 1978, people also said “winning it is delusional”. You should allow some miracles in your life mate.
On Koeman: You literally said he was too heavy to be a top player. Somehow, every other person on Planet Earth doesn’t agree with you. Did you also claim Messi will never make it big, because he is too small??
Koeman and Stam comparison is like comparing Materazzi with Baresi. Comparing Gattuso with Antognoni. Comparing Matthaus with Wirtz. Stam was a “voorstopper” and Koeman a “libero”.
On Frenkie: He has been playing for 6 seasons at Barca and is one of their captains. They just extended his deal. Pedri, Yamal and Rashford are on record to say that they were stunned by Frenkie’s qualities. His speed, his defensive skills, his vision and his technique. But All Knowing Jean The Soccer Expert thinks Frenkie is over the hill.
Ask JC (can’t anymore) which midfielder he always preferred in his team and his response is: Wim Jansen. Frenkie is like Wim Jansen. He might not dazzle like Pedri, Messi or Gakpo, but without Frenkie the glue of the team is gone.
Try to watch football differently. Stop focusing on the man with the ball only. Also take into account what players do without it. Most players don’t touch the ball for 88 minutes in a game. What do they do without it.
On Dumfries: I am not a big fan of Dumfries as a player in Oranje, but his numbers speak volumes. His personality, strength, speed, opportunistic play is obviously why many people rate him. In smaller spaces and in combination football, he is not great but hey… Messi is not a great header of the ball. C Ronaldo can’t sliding tackle and Van der Sar didn’t know how to dribble. Not everyone is able to do everything.
On the young German talent versus Koeman sticking to Memphis: We have seen young players in Oranje before, players with potential. Remember Adam Maher? Boadu? Stengs? Sem Steijn? The Eredivisie talents need two steps up to perform in Oranje. In the bundesliga, it’s probably 1 step up. I believe Kees Smit, Mexx Meerdink and Luciano Valente can be top options for Oranje in the future but for now, with a WC 7 months away, it is too early. I agree with Koeman on this.
I dop hope we will see a young attacker in the squad for the WC, but for now, Memphis and Weghorst are obvious choices.
Smit and Valente will have to compete with midfielders of Barca, Man City, Liverpool, PSV and Juve. I am not sure why the young German lad got the call up, but maybe Germany is lacking options on that position?
@ Jan
Did u watch barce vs Real Madrid. Any thoughts on frenkie’s performance?
I have always been skeptical about him in big games and again he didn’t cut above the rest and as usually was all about passing. In some phases only.
For the first time I want to agree with Van basten with what he said. I mean you have to be critical when you have a top status and then all of sudden are not living up to expectation.. if only veerman was more defensively balanced. He would have been a good upgrade or perhaps his backup or vice versa.
Also when you look at pirlo, kroos who were more offensive minded players and played CM, you wonder why coaches can’t do the same with veerman. What I mean here is if playing with three CBs, the central mid to cover him. I mean this is what the ltslians used to do with pirlo in front of them. I remember in some Madrid games modric and kroos used be in the 4-4-2 midfield
I did not watch that game. I did check player ratings:
Frenkie de Jong – 7: Kept the play ticking for Barcelona and rarely put a foot wrong after an error early on that presented Real Madrid with a chance.
Frenkie De Jong: 7.5 — Steady enough, ringing up a game-high 117 touches while completing 93-of-98 passes. Game-high 10 defensive contributions, combining with Pedri for 13 tackles.
Frenkie de Jong: 7
The Dutchman was reassuring in possession and helped Barcelona retain control of the game when the ball was in their control.
Don’t think Frenkie will again live up to expectation at this WC. Off course yes vs non competent teams which has been the case always but when you really want him to step up.
Also after this World Cup , he shud make way room for others to take over.
No Man Frenkie is excellent,starter at studded Barca..Generational player,he is not much of a scorer with screamers though..You cannot start in Flick s team if your not best of best..Flick is German and not dutch..its not by seniority or reservation Frenkie plays at Barca starter spot..You got it terribly wrong..
At NT he can play double pivot with Reinders thats the best we have..Our problem is koeman and he is nit using our best inform players..and Never drops or chnage position of Depay and Gakpo..He plays players in wrong spots..according to form our current 11 should be.
simons—————-Gakpo—————–Frimpong
————————kluivert———————————
——–Reinders——-Frenkie——————————–
Hartmann—Van deven—De ligt—Timber
———————-Robin roefs————————————
this doesnt mean our bench players are bad…Van de ven is excellent plays better than Virgil as LCB
simons has multiple tricks to combine with Hartmanan or Hato at left..
timber-Fripong at right is going to be nightmare for any team…
kluivert is most mercurious playmaker we have…
Roefs might be the goalkeeper of the seaosn at EPL..unbelievable player
on Bench
Lang——–Depay———-Malen
—————koopmeiners—————-
—-Quinten————-Gravenberch——-
Hato—-Virgil—–Van hecke—Geetruida
–
——————Verbruggen———————
Squad members
Flekken
Weghorst
Ake
Weiffer
Haha, look what you say: He plays players in wrong spots..according to form our current 11 should be.
Simons—————-Gakpo
So you will put Simons and Gakpo not in their natural spot……. That´s funny, YOU will put them in the wrong spots
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Simons is not playing good at the National Team (also not good in PL recently), i liked the performance of Kluivert the last game!
Gakpo is a winger, a one trick pony as you call it, with Robben we always knew what would come as well, we almost made it with that one trick pony……
i came across this Wayne rooney on van gaal
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BlSfTp5EahQ
Haha, look what you say: He plays players in wrong spots..according to form our current 11 should be.
Simons—————-Gakpo
Ans:-why dont you watch and follow games>simons plays excellent from left..As for Gakpo..We dont have striker,Meerdink injured,Weghorst??oh come on..then Depay is mere sub at Brazil…So Gakpo is the only option we have..its not like playing Van de ven over Hato/hartmann/Ake) at L B and Timber over Deligt /Van hecke at RCB…as if we dont have nay one..why are you deprived of logical thinking Johan??
is that the best argument you have johan?
Or Else Give me solid striker to start.If Memphis was superfit i will start him not Gakpo…
So you will put Simons and Gakpo not in their natural spot……. That´s funny, YOU will put them in the wrong spots
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Simons is not playing good at the National Team (also not good in PL recently), i liked the performance of Kluivert the last game!
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“”””Gakpo is a winger, a one trick pony as you call it, with Robben we always knew what would come as well, we almost made it with that one trick pony……”””” this is sinful idiotic comparison between Roben and Cody Gakpo..since when did you find roben was one trick pony???Come on..look at this utter nonsense compasrison..
Memphis not fit? You don´t follow Brazilian football, i live in Brazil !! He is a big guy here !!
Memphis Depay’s most recent available game was on November 2, 2025, when Corinthians beat Gremio 2-0, and he played the full 90 minutes, receiving a rating of 7.4. Before this, he was substituted in the 78th minute in a match on October 25, 2025, where Corinthians also won, and he had a rating of 7.1.
Last game: November 2, 2025, against Gremio (Corinthians won 2-0).
Performance: Played all 90 minutes.
Rating: 7.4.
Previous game: October 25, 2025, against Atletico-MG (Corinthians won).
Performance: Substituted in the 78th minute.
Rating: 7.1.
Ohh here we go again…
“”””You don´t follow Brazilian football, i live in Brazil !! He is a big guy here !!”””””
Congrats Johan for following brazilian football..Can we take some Brazilian national players to NT??Ans is no..We are tlaking about dutch national team,yes only man from dutch national team plays in Brazil..
FYI–Memphis was always a BIG GUY WHERE EVER HE WENT,ever since he changed from lion stint ,i was also big fan of him,i was critical of him before that,nice good lad..ITS not about how big he is or how small he is…its all about his consistent injury,and lungs to play 90 minutes national team..which is another level than brazil league..
Memphis was Big guy at Lion
Memphis was big guy at PSV
Memphis was Big guy at NT
Memphis was big guy even at united
All these things become futile when you are physically unfit..Memphis has poor injury record,age is catching him,he will get more injury,he needs more recovery time..Gakpo at least by Arnie bias he plays regular with one trcik pony style..He wins at times ,only gets failed when things get tough..He plays at elite level ,as regular..He has played as striker,He can be tested there especially we dont have other choice..however i personally will play memphis as starter if he ha sthe fitness for 120 minutes..Hope you are clear..
@ Jan
So now, we are going to a WC with a team where half of the players if not more are not even starters at their clubs. Have you noticed that. In addition to that we have a mediocre coach. This WC campaign is going to be a disaster. This is going to be the Netherlands weakest team in any WC.
Any comment on that?,
It is your opinion. And you are entitled to it. In my book Verbruggen, Van Dijk, Timber, Dumfries, Frenkie, Gravenberch, Reijnders, Gakpo, Memphis, Van der Ven are all starters. Kluivert and Frimpong less so atm but what does that say?
Do you know who was the king of the Euros 1988? A player who had been injured all season and hardly played.
Your logic, or reasoning is poor and limited.
Every world cup – yes, also ’74 and ’78 – the expectations of the “fans” was that we had nothing to do at that tournament.
Will you respond to my longer post to you?
I do agree about the mediocre coach and hope that some others will step up ( Frenkie, Memphis, Virgil, Jonk, Erwin Koeman).
Maybe thats a good thing, not being starters, the season in England is long and heavy, many players hardly make it until the end of season.
We have a lot of quality, lets be optimistic, with a good draw we can go all the way, hup Holland hup !!
Midfield
Frenkie de Jong (4/10):
Kept things too simple in possession while he failed to keep track of Bellingham when out of it, most notably when he lost the Madrid midfielder as he scored the second goal.
GiveMeSport: Rated him a 6.5, with the assessment that while he saw more of the ball than anyone, he didn’t do much with it and often passed backward or sideways, slowing down the team.
This is more of an accurate and fitting rating and again like I have said earlier while his passing/ touches stats can be an eye catcher but it often doesn’t tell u the whole story. I remember Daley blind was in the same boat. But then again that’s the Dutch DNA there. I feel this is where vs components teams and MFs, they easily neutralize him. Like if you poke him (close him up) he will keep passing back or sidewise. I mean that is exactly how he operates and nothing extraordinary. This is often the same in NT as well. He doesn’t live up to expectation when it’s required and also nothing spectacular out the usual.
This has to be his last World Cup. Time for change. It’s time for more direct running dribbling midfielders. Who can hold the ball, go past their marker etc. passing back and lateral era is only rotting in in the Dutch football and with players where they go. And this is why imo why a lot of Dutch coaches bit the dust moving board to coach.
Can we stop this nonsense about Frenkie? This is what was reported in Dutch and International media:
“Barcelona head coach Hansi Flick has moved to reiterate his appreciation for the recent efforts of Frenkie de Jong.
This comes with the Dutchman fresh off his latest starring performance on Sunday.
Barcelona marked their return to action yesterday evening, playing host to newly-promoted Elche in a La Liga clash.
The fixture marked the Blaugrana’s first without Pedri, ahead of an extended upcoming spell on the sidelines for the 22-year-old.
In the absence of his midfield partner, though, the aforementioned Frenkie de Jong stood tall.
Shining on both sides of the ball, the former Ajax man emerged as the leader which Barca desperately needed in the middle of the park.
And as alluded to above, the significance of as much was not at all lost on his manager.
Drawn on the latest performance put forth by De Jong post-match on Sunday, Hansi Flick explained: “We can say the same about Frenkie as we can say about Pedri. He’s at an incredible level, his performance in every game is fantastic. Having him in that position of ‘8’, with Casadó as a pivot, makes me very happy. He’s a fantastic player.”
And this: https://telegrafi.com/en/flick-with-big-words-for-the-midfield-duo-pedri-de-jong-have-an-extraordinary-level/
So, every football coach, player and pundit I know rate Frenkie very high. From Van Gaal to Pep, from Flick to Cruyff, from Pedri to Rashford, but Wilson – the Football God of the World – decides that Frenkie is mediocre, hahahahaha
Don’t wanna start a full blown debate here but I think you miss my point.
It maybe not be a limitation or lweakness but in context to what he can do and what he can’t do and again in context to how he operates. ( one stronghold). I also recall the same oversight we had when we debated on our favorite Daley Blind. Though frenkie’s case is different.
Yes off course with different teams it’s always different scenarios with respect to his performance and which is well known and probably this is where you have to draw the line on his competency and predictability
And again at Barcelona he is around midfielders of his level or even better but often in NT he cannot find the same rhythm and there are players now who can compete in his position and offer a more balanced option contray to when he is around and others have to play in shadows. I won’t mind somebody who can play along side him and complement him efficiently. Without encroaching each others space and providing that balance like what we are seeing at Liverpool at the moment. Creativity and service to upfront. I like what I’m seeing of valente. Remains to be seen how his development progresses at feyenoord and particularly after he leaves eredivisie. Gravenberch probably needs more time but can he produce the same out put as at Liverpool when playing along side Frenkie is something that remains to be seen
@ Jan,
You always bring up Dutch Media to make a point. Who cares? How come the Dutch Media hasn’t asked to sack R Koeman? How come the Dutch Media hasn’t talked about why the Dutch Soccer Federation refused to follow Spain, France and now Morocco in terms of turning things around for Dutch Football?
So far you have been wrong about this Dutch team this past 4 years. Daley Blind blew our chance in the last WC particularly in the game against Argentina.
Yes the King of 1988 was Marco Van Basten! Get is streight my friend: there is big difference between a super talented player who was injured and not playing versus these average players that are not good enough to be starters in their clubs. That is why they are not playing. Depay isn’t playing regularly in Brazil.
Let me saying it again: we are going to a WC where 1/2 of the team are not even starters in their clubs.
Hey man, you are kind of exaggerating a bit. Deficiencies no doubt exist in the team, but this time around there is a group of talented players and most playing at top level. Saying this In not implying they will win the WC but they are shaping up or are having a good foundation in building for future.
Koeman will again be wiping his ass after the WC and will exist but under a better coach hope fully you can bet this team to be right up there in next 4 yrs time. I mean look at the options available now in most positions and competitively where they are playing. The three positions that remain open to reinforcements remain striker, RW and RCM. Depay is gone after this World Cup and somebody has to fill in that shoes. Can it be an out and out striker, possibly a make shift from another position. That would be the challenge for the next coach as a stepping stone to fill in the deficiencies . RW and probably RCM.
I also think you are portraying the wrong picture of saying they are bench players sounding they are not active. For players like lang and kluivert, regardless they are getting less minutes, you can be rest assured when they play, they are handful and game changes.
For me the positive thing is like I said the player options out there and if those three key positions can be reinforced quality and competency wise. Bam. The Dutch can be contenders for 2030.
As for Next World Cup. They will fall short somewhere along.
Just a cut and paste I posted on another site.
“I’m just looking at 2030 WC and these players will be going into or will be in their prime. I haven’t gone over 30 because the Dutch players are usually on decline over that. And all these players are playing abroad.
Hartman- 28
Van der ven- 30
Botman- 30
Jurrien Timber- 29
Frimpong 29
Gravenberch – 28
Ki Jana- 28
Van ewijk- 30
Zirkzee- 29
Simons-27
Brobbey- 27
Roefs- 27
Emegha- 27
Maatsen- 27
Seelt- 27
Summerville- 27
Scherpen – 30
Add them with youngesters like Van bommel, banzuzi, Addai, smits, hato, valente,van breeman,Paulina , misehouy, valente With the right coach you can brew a winning team.
Some will be lost off course
You can expect some over 30s to be there.
@ Jason
You have been watching this starting 11 for how many years now my friend? What more are you going to see 7 months from now considering the same players and the same coach? What are your expectations? I don’t have any. A saw a team that had great trouble even being in one of the weakest group of the qualifiers. A team that can’t event beat Lithuania.
I’m not exaggerating, 1/2 of the team are not even starters at their clubs.
thats most the people with common sense think…Unfortunately common sense is not so common..
almost same 11 for every games with same failed coach..what you expect from this ???thats million dollar logical question…they have not beaten any top team,France had raped them many times..
Hey Jean. Not sure if you have directed this to me using Jason.
Koeman will be history after this WC and probably run to Ajax to try and wipe his stains off. And this is typical, given if he wins at Ajax, it will be seen as he has redeemed himself and will again comeback in the fold as household name coach ( in Netherlands only off course)
You just have to see it out. I think I made that clear above how I see the team under Koeman progressing at WC and let’s also wait for the draws as that will also determine how far can they go.the best that can happen is they scrap past and lose the final again or least somewhere in Knock out stages. Koeman will then defend himself for leading the team thus far.
Nobody will look back and say or tell Koeman o you could have done this better or back then. etc. it’s Dutch football.
her we go again,,,Arnie understood his Gakpo mistakes after many consecutive losses..Puts him on bench played best game in this season..battered Madrid..if he drop salah with chiesa,that team is going to be night mare…Thank you Arnie for dropping Gakpo…
Lang and simons has similar to writz hope they replace Gakpo at left and ,,,Gakpo start as striker or sit in bench for memphis replacement,,at NT…
When you remove Dumfries with Timber and geetruida at RB,Lang/simons with Gakpo at left wing and plays Hato/hartrmann at LB for makeshift left backs van de ven /Ake….you have a scary team…sorry but that clown will never do it.
I didn’t understanding Alonso’s tatic of playing Camavinga on the RW and Valverde at RB. I think this is where slot tatically outclassed Alonso. Vini jnr and Mbappe were the only catalyst for Real Madrid attack and Liverpool were quick to defuse them and pretty much had them tamed
Ane slot also said this in his post match interview. He said I told the players, if you want to stop Madrid. Stop Mbappé and Vini. Jnr.