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Qualification games are never fun. I find them disruptive for my football pleasure. Normally, there are dozens of games to look out for in a weekend (Eredivisie, EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga) but during these qualification weeks, it’s basically two matches (I really don’t care about Norway, Denmark or Italy to be honest) and these matches usually disappoint.

The Dutch are notoriously rubbish in qualification games. i think only under Van Gaal ( 2014, not 2002!!) and Van Marwijk did we manage to simply brush opponents aside.

A lot of lesser involved people usually are in shock if I tell them Oranje shouldn’t even have competed in the 1974 World Cup as it was a referee howler that got us qualified… I will expose my old age, I know, but I have sat through really dreadful qualification matches in the 1980s and 1990s. We just don’t do those well.

Once we’re at the tournament, there is a fair chance we do perform ( 1974, 1978, 1998, 2000, 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2014, 2024) but there are no guarantees ( 1976, 1980, 1990, 1996).

I can be critical on the team and specifically Ronald Koeman, but I can also see why it’s not always easy for players to perform.

Early qualification results

The first qualification match versus Poland was a game in which some of our top performers simply weren’t “ready”, due to either injuries/fitness or as a result of club moves. Players like Hato, Simons, Malen, Frimpong, Brobbey were still settling in, while others were simply not (match) fit, like Ake, Memphis, Quinten Timber, Justin Kluivert, Teun Koopmeiners, Zirkzee.

The Poland draw was a fluke. We controlled the game and a Sunday shot of their right back bamboozled Verbruggen. The Lithuania game was a disaster, and in particular due to the disconnect between attack and defence. Huge gaps in midfield, as our attackers didn’t track back as they should, while our defenders (Virgil!!) were dropping off instead of pushing up! Even Lithuania can hurt you then.

Malta away was – as per usual – a bore to watch. Uninspirational match, terrible pitch, the only thing that counts is winning and staying healthy.

The home game against Finland got us something to cheer. Played in the Arena, a modern stadium with a more than decent pitch.

And timing was good as most players found their feet in their club season and we only had to deal with the absence of Quinten Timber (who I rate) due to injury and Memphis being late due to passport issues. Not sure what the story was, but it seems he was robbed. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if he misplaced it in one of his many Rolls Royces…. Anyway!

The game against Malta of 9 October

Against Malta, Koeman wanted to go with a proper 4-3-3, ergo with two wingers keeping the pitch wide and a target man on top (Weghorst). It worked in the sense that Frimpong was threatening and we won the game, but the flow was missing, partly due to the pitch, but also due to the aforementioned lack of cohesion between attack and defence. Add to this the slow pace and the constant dribble attempts and you have the reason why it seemed (and was) sluggish.

What also didn’t work against Malta, was our right side. It’s quite obvious that – even though both are top notch players – using Frimpong and Dumfries together on the right is not the best solution. Dumfries’ strength is pushing up, with big strides, but Frimpong took that space and made it hard for Dumfries to shine. In confined spaces, the Inter defender is not at his best either, so his yield was a tad low (but still he got an assist).

This 4-3-3 can work, but probably smarter to use Timber or Geertruida as right back, as these guys are very comfortable on the ball and can push into midfield to start the build up. Not something Dumfries is good at. I can image there will be games where this can work, and definitely in games when Dumfries is injured or suspended.

The game against Finland of 12 October

Against Finland, Koeman wanted to go back to his “square in midfield”, meaning: using a player on the right who will drift centrally to support Memphis and become the second 10, in this case, next to Kluivert.

Donyell Malen is the ideal candidate for this, as he is very direct and lightfooted and agile. He’s also lightning fast and tactically astute. Xavi Simons can play that role too, but has less depth. Xavi prefers the ball in feet. This “square in midfield” does offer Dumfries all the space to bomb into so the former Sparta man is more comfortable.

Koeman also decided to rest / bench Reijnders. The Man City midfielder is more an 8 than a 10, in my book and Koeman uses him as a 10 because he simply wants to use his best midfielders. But, as we have seen in the past with Sneijder/Van der Vaart or Lampard/Gerrard, the three midfielders are a bit similar: all three are great passers of the ball and all three like the ball to feet. Reijnders does have depth, but it’s not a real natural move for him. Reijnders is typically one of the players who tended to dribble a bit too much and clogged up the space, against Malta.

Koeman (or Jonk) recognised this and wanted a different 10 versus Finland. Xavi could have played there, or Quinten Timber when fit, but Justin Kluivert ended up being the perfect choice. Kluivert is a player who will run in behind and make dirty runs for his team mates. And that partnership with Memphis worked well.

This particular set up (“square in midfield”) works well and could well become Plan A for Oranje. Should the opponent require something different, or if Dumfries is not available, another type of right back will force Koeman to use a more traditional right winger ( Frimpong, but Malen or Lang can play that role as well).

It seems the starting line up is taking shape

In goal, Bart Verbruggen has not really disappointed (but also didn’t get too much to do). Flekken and Roefs are fine replacements and Olij or Bizot will be able to step in if need be.

Central defenders: Virgil is a sure thing, as long as he remains fit. Nathan Ake or Mickey Van der Ven are solid subs for the left CB role while Timber and Van Hecke will be the preferred options on the right. Mathijs de Ligt can not be discounted, but for Stefan de Vrij the World Cup might be a bridge too far. Botman at Newcastle is a dark horse, while Beukema is doing really well in the Serie A.

Left back: Mickey Van der Ven did well and with his speed he is a true weapon. Q Hartman will be a good option as is Hato, assuming he will play more than he does at the moment. Ake can fill the role as well and who knows, Malacia might play himself back in Man United’s favour.

Right back: As mentioned, Dumfries is beyond questioning if used right and Feyenoord’s Read can be considered a similar type of back. For a more inverted option, Geertruida and Jurrien Timber are good alternatives.

Midfield: We have quite some good midfielders, but there is maybe a bit too much similarities. Koopmeiners, Veerman, Reijnders, Schouten, Wiefer, all good passers of the game. Frenkie is a cert of course and Gravenberch is becoming one as well. The latter has a dribble and a great forward thrust in his game. Veerman offers much on the ball but less off the ball, while Reijnders has a deadly shot in both feet. Quinten Timber is also an all round midfielder, who can tackle, run, dribble, pass, shoot and score.

I think Sem Steijn is too light for Oranje, and Xavi, Justin Kluivert and Q Timber are probably better options for the 10 role, as is Zirkzee if he gets to play regular football. One dark horse that needs mentioning is Feyenoord’s Luciano Valente who has been impressing enormously as playmaker in Rotterdam.

For now, I think Koeman will always pick Frenkie and then fill in the other two from the trio of Gravenberch, Reijnders or a more attacking 10.

Forwards: I think Cody Gakpo will be everyone’s choice for left winger. Memphis is beyond discussion for the 9 role under Koeman and Weghorst’s energy and passion will probably get him the supersub role.

If Brobbey starts performing, he would be the obvious third choice of course. If not, Emegha or Meerdink might have a chance. Lang needs to play and if he does, I’d always take him along. Malen is a cert for me as is Frimpong.

A special word for Memphis. Often criticised and even ridiculed by the analysts and punters, but he’s currently the all time goal scorer for Oranje and now also the all time assist king ( taking the mantle from Wesley Sneijder).

When he made his move to Brazil last year, everyone wondered what this would do with this Oranje career. Well… we now know: he scored eight goals in eight games and created four goals. Twelve goal contributions by the former PSV rebel and long may it go.

Koeman was obviously happy with the performance against Finland, but still saw some issues. He felt some players (he mentioned Kluivert and Gravenberch) were drifting out of position too much, to Ronald’s liking, but otherwise it was a solid performance with – at times – some good football.

I’m actually not sure how many players we’re allowed to bring? Does anyone know?

Do give me your input in the players you believe should be on the boat to the US of A.

44 Comments

  • wilson says:

    Pretty much on point. If no injuries, can’t see any one else going. I do feel Danjuma shud be looked at if he is injury free and probably for the striker role.

    I’m more spetical on the right balance of the team. This is something that will prove to be vital to how far the team can go. Frimpong/ Timber, dumfries/ Malen, Van van der ven LB. Midfield trio.

    You don’t wanna wait for the last minute to realize it’s not working and the subs simply can’t make any impact . Every player needs to have a firm grip in the team so when they are called upon, there is no disruption to the momentum flow.

  • wilson says:

    Van basten at it again calling Frenkie a postal courier playing side lateral passes inside of attacking. Kind of feel is true. I mean when you look at those dribbling mids like pedri, vitinha , Silva, barella, it’s hard call out that Frenkie is up to their level.

    I also wonder what will happen to him when gavi comes back from injury. Perhaps slot will persuade him to come to Liverpool.

  • Jan says:

    It’s true. Van Basten, Gullit and Kieft were critical on Frenkie in particular, but mainly because he does play the forward passes at Barca and forms a powerful unit with Pedri.

    The three former stars also said their criticism extends to most Oranje players, but they singled Frenkie out as he should be the one most able to play quicker.

    Van Basten: “I saw a number of situations where I felt “play it now!” and they don’t. I am not sure what the reason is, but against strong teams, you’ll be butchered in this way.”

  • Emmanual says:

    “””The first qualification match versus Poland was a game in which some of our top performers simply weren’t “ready”, due to either injuries/fitness or as a result of club moves. Players like Hato, Simons, Malen, Frimpong, Brobbey were still settling in, while others were simply not (match) fit, like Ake, Memphis, Quinten Timber, Justin Kluivert, Teun Koopmeiners, Zirkzee.””

    @Jan Which poland game you are talking about?When was hato played for oranje last time? does he even in team?Zirksee??Frimpong was injured,Hato,Frimpong,Zirksee was was not in team,even now they hardly gets call up and only frimpong gets called but wasted for Dumfries..kluivert??he was just a sub..Why blaming these players??blame the players who played or stared the game..or blame koeman ..I am pissed of by not selecting Hato as left back..koeman plays two makeshift center backs as left full backs..that kills our flow…
    Hato has played more minutes than Bench warmer De vrij and ake..He didnt disapoint anyone at chelsea..He simply doesnt get chance at chelski..thats not his fault…Just like gravenberch situation at Bayern..Hato is top quality player..i feel he should stick on as left full back ..he could be our Nuno mendes..

    • Jan says:

      I am not blaming the players that didn’t play, silly man. I am explaining why that 1-1 versus Poland had everything to do with the timing of that match.

      Dutch players usually move away from their country to bigger competitions. Sometimes in steps. Simons, Geertruida, Brobbey, Hato and more made a move in summer. And rather late too, as the big names get picked first, just like in primary school football.

      So the names I mentioned were settling in at their new clubs and most of them hardly played.

      English players hardly move abroad to a different competition. Spanish players, Italian players… same.

      • Emmanual says:

        “I am not blaming the players that didn’t play, silly man. I am explaining why that 1-1 versus Poland had everything to do with the timing of that match.””
        completely off the track,its more silly to think about timing of that match was the reason..
        Koeman had no intention to call Hato etc .He was fit ,really fit,..it was all koeman stubborn choice,Brobbey should not be even in selection at all..simons should not be playing as right winger at all..Reinders -Gravneberch,Frenkie should not played at same time..its all koeman stupidity..its not timing…
        Absence of “”Ake, Memphis, Quinten Timber, Justin Kluivert, Teun Koopmeiners, Zirkzee””are irrelevant.
        We were destroyed by koeman stupidity.

  • Emmanual says:

    “”Right back: As mentioned, Dumfries is beyond questioning if used right and Feyenoord’s Read can be considered a similar type of back. For a more inverted option, Geertruida and Jurrien Timber are good alternatives…”””.

    WITH DUMFRIES FORGET BEATING A TOP TEAM.I MEAN ZERO CHANCE..EVEN THERE IS NOT A FLUKE CHANCE..

    this is modern day football ,many team play inverted fiullbacks.We have best right full back in the world who play 433 at arsenal just like koeman 433 at NT..thats Timber..Thats were he excells week in week out at top league EPL..He is the best we have to get maximum out of Frimpong..for mr our chance to score or to beat a top team rely on frimpong and his speed and trickery..He is the cutting edge Roben we have now..Inorder to optimal use of Frimpong we need Timber and geetruida

    • Johan says:

      Denzel Dumfries scored two and assisted three of Inter’s six goals against Barcelona in the semi-final of the Champions League this year!! Wake up!! Or is Barcelona not a top team ?

    • Jan says:

      He was short listed for the Ballon D’Or. I mean, I criticize him for his hard feet in tight situations, but you can’t dismiss what the man has brought to Oranje.

  • Emmanual says:

    Barca with Zero defense…That defense was shambolic and leaky ,i expected barca to be hammered by PSG,Arsenal and pool..I am happy inter did..we dont play 532 like inter or 343 ..Koeman is 433 guy..I have no problem if you take dumfries when Frimpong.Timber,and Geetruida are injured..
    Simply we dont have the luxury to accommodate Dumfries,i have seen such a player in UCL winning team and full back or wingback..
    This current team needs frimpong upfront as right winger badly,most lethal forward we have..He is my answer to barcola,Olise,dembele,Estevao,Vinicius,kingsley koeman.etc..in order to use Frimpong effectively we need either Timber or Geetruida as fullback..thats tactics..
    We scored 5 goals VS spain with out dumfries,We played our best game in years,We lost only to refree,we were better than spain, the differnce was made by Kluivert,Frimpong and geetruida,Yes simons as left winger for few minutes was fantastic too..i prefer to score 5 vs SPain,Arjetina,Brazil etc..for that dumfries should not be there..

    • Johan says:

      Probably we played very good against Spain, but Frimpong not, have a look for yourself the highlights are here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dfTmQ9mZEQ

      Frimpong lost his guy several times ! I am sure that Koeman looked at these images as well.

      • Emmanual says:

        Frimpong is a right winger at NT..not a right back..Gakpo ,simons,malen ,Depay all lost his men..thats how it is..They are attackers…if they dont score we can blame them..losing a man for an attacker is common in football..who cares messi lost his man or roben lost his man…But your point is very much valid if Timber,Geetruida or dumfries does it..Frimpong was live where in those matches..he made cucurella looked like a Joker…Frimpong was the difference maker at final third,spain had no answer for him…I agree presence of inverted right full back geetruida ,mercurious playmker kluivert also had equal role to tore up spain..i mean the mighty spain with pedri.

  • Emmanual says:

    “”This 4-3-3 can work, but probably smarter to use Timber or Geertruida as right back, as these guys are very comfortable on the ball and can push into midfield to start the build up. Not something Dumfries is good at. I can image there will be games where this can work, and definitely in games when Dumfries is injured or suspended.”””

    Amen

  • jean_venette says:

    @ Johan
    You wrote “the WC team is starting to take shape”. Which team are you talking about? Are you watching the same team we are watching? You’re joking right? The only reason we are going to this WC is because we were lucky to be drawn in the weakest group and even that we are struggling. We are struggling against some of the weakest teams in the world.
    F De Jong that is supposed to be our best player had reached the ceiling. He hasn’t developed one bit since he moved to Barcelona. Depay is done long ago but still our starter. Only Koeman would do such thing. Had the KNBV brought in a different coach after Van Gaal it would have been a different story with all these young talents in our disposal. Koeman is a disaster.
    I guarantee that we are going home after the group stage. Stop dreaming! Your title is laughable!

    • Johan says:

      Sorry mate, Jan wrote the article……

      Just accept what is unfolding, Koeman remains the coach unless something happens at home (his wife is very sick).

      I trully believe that he will play the W.C.with the starting 11 from the game against Finland!

      If he stil wants to try a more defending team (without bulldozer Dumfries) he can use the game against Poland for that, with Frimpong and Timber behind him. As far as I can see Geertruida is not even a starter at Sunderland, so it has to be Timber then.

      Cheer up, its almost weekend, stop drinking vinager.. hup Holland hup

      • Emmanual says:

        We play 433.Dumfries is 532 or 343 guy as wing back…Since we play 433 there should not be any debate ..Timber is generational talent Just like Wesly sneijder etc..Dumfries is now where his level..Timber is a right BAck at EPL top team,who also a serious candidate for UCL too..yes Geetruida is not getting minutes ,yeah he might clock minutes regular time soon,we dont know..But what we know is that AKe,De vrij and Memphis also doesn’t play regular..
        especially De vrij hardly plays..Still they are in team…Givairo Read is another option we have as right back 433 system,,

        First time England look like serious team for WC,reason is Touchel..Just look at what he did to Bellingham..and you where bellingham is..Dumfries is not the problem in first line,koeman is ,KNVB is..Best thing is that Slot gets sacked at Pool and takes over from koeman immediate basis,,its my wild dream though..
        Only good thing with koeman is he has wim Jonk.thats the real thing we have..

        i completely understand what Jean has said..He must be in painful situations..if you tell the truth firstly to people you will get the sticks..thats how it is..
        i watch and follow football regularly,i watch close on our players at sunderland,arsenal,pool,united,spurs,chelski and city..also Az alkmaar and ajax, very rarely FC como….Also i watched austria,italy ,spain,Portugal,England ,Norway,Germany,Hungary, BRAZIL,LET ME TELL YOU WE HAVE NO CHANCE VS THESE TEAMS UNDER KOEMAN….
        My prediction for koeman for WC
        Group stage
        Maximum a draw with a Top team ,barely win or draw against other team,beats the third team with okay performance..
        knockout
        it depends on Top team or Okay team..if we face a top team thats the end fo our journey at round 32,but if we face qatar,saudi,Romania,morocco,african teams.. we will beat them and reach round 16,if we against meet and okay less popular team we beat them like we did in euro 2024..then finally when we face quarter final with a top team,,all the hell lose and either we get thrashed or will get in to penalty..bye bye 2026 WC…
        What a great achievement we had we reached 8th,like that clowns will celebrate…Ja ja

        • Johan says:

          Be sure 8th place would not be celebrated in Holland, for sure, but we need a little luck with the draw as well. I think last 8 is do-able, all after that is bonus. But I still believe its possible after all these years, and with this squad, lets keep our fingers crossed.

          Btw we passed Brazil in the ranking, now we are number 6 again….

  • andrew says:

    We’ll see what choices Koeman makes. Seems like the big ones are:

    1. Kluivert/Reijnders/Simons at the 10. My vote is for Kluivert. The offense has flowed better with him in that position; he’s active, skilled, quick with his decisions, and combines well with the other forwards.

    2. Dumfries or Timber at rb. This is really a question of either Dumfries/Malen or Timber/Frimpong. Dumfries gives the team something, and has been productive for the NT. Malen looks like he is always looking to come inside, this giving Dumfries chances to play the wide role he likes,. Together they can be dangerous. My concern is that playing that way seems too often to leave the team exposed, too much space behind Dumfries. My vote would be for Timber/Frimpong. I like that with Timber, the framework of the team is more symmetrical, the defense won’t be as stretched on the right side, and Timber is a better defender than Dumfries. Offensively, nothing breaks a defense down like a wide player going by his man one on one, and Frimpong is a guy who can do that consistently, and forcing the defense to tilt the field to him.

    3. Gravenberch or Reijnders? Love Reijnders as a player. But my vote goes to Gravenberch. He’s been one of the best mf’s in the EPL this year (last year, too, until he seemed to tire in the late part of the season). And, if as I think, Koeman goes with Dumfries on the right, they’ll need Gravenberch’s defensive quality in the right mf. Plus, De Jong will have more freedom to go forward.

    4. RCB. If Timber is not at right fullback, my vote would be for him as the CB next to Van Dyke. If not, tbd between De ligt and Van Hecke, with Van Hecke having an edge, now, but there is much season to go.

  • jean_venette says:

    @ Andrew
    You said ” De Jong will have more freedom to go forward”

    Does he ever go forward? That’s always been my issue with him. Van Basten pointed it out. He gave a bunch of lateral passes, he doesn’t shoot. I don’t see why this team is being built around him. If this kid from barca wasn’t injured F De Jong would have been on the bench most of the time. Since leaving Holland, he hasn’t made much progress.

  • wilson says:

    @ Andrew

    You are pretty much on the point. Have stated this also many times. A good balance will in the best intesti of team contest to koeman trying accommodate all the big names.

    Few things though. I wary of the midfield when you start kluivert.I don’t think Gravenberch will be able to defensively live up to expectation in crunch matches. What I mean here when the tempo of game becomes sea saw typo battle. Typically where they have to transition from attack to defense , defense to attack continuously ( high tempo games). This is where I feel that midfield combo will be skidding. Vs these average teams, it’s not a problem, mismatch but vs those big guns, I’m not sure if both will be able to provide that versatility to yield that rigidity and dynamism . Im just looking here at from head to head accept like what we see come QF, SF and finals and I think once again koeman will find it the hard way when it tumbles. With kluivert at 10 you want to have hardworking midfielders who can break down the play, defensively and then turn the play into attack. Imo neither can’t do that and this is where you see them evidently laterally and passing back. I mean you also look at the last two tournaments and how much Frenkie stood out going into those big games in the knock out stages.

    Koeman is deploying them because they play that positions at their respective club but then they are not around the same calibre of players when in NT and for Frenkie especially it has been same scenario again and again where he is not able to deliver when needed the most.Koeman shud experiment with Frenkie on the right and Reijnders on the left where he also looks to be the most effective.

    Timber at RCB is big no for me also. Can be clumsy with his tackles (PKs), doesn’t play there and aerially can be taken advantage off. A good team team will prey on this.

  • wilson says:

    Lang- Depay- Frimpong

    Kluivert

    Reijnders- Frenkie

    Maatsen- Van der ven- Van dijk- Timber

    Verbruggen

    Maatsen in that attacking/ offensive front with Van der ven/ Van dijk/ Timber forming back three.

    • Johan says:

      Change Lang for Gakpo and it will be a good team. Lang needs to get minutes, he is hardly playing for Napoli.
      Gakpo is a starter at one of the biggest teams in the biggest league in the world (he scored against Chelsea 2 weeks ago).

      • Emmanual says:

        Lang and simons are best options from left..its time to move Gakpo as striker either as sub for Memphis or starting striker..He is 26,tall,i feel he can be a solution for us..its just my feeling though.it remains to be seen

    • Emmanual says:

      This team would terrorise any team..full of potency,tricks…But there is big problem, in Van dijk being played as RCB..He has vulnerability as RCB.he will get dribbled ..Also not a wise idea to use a player whose strength is LCB….
      i would play Mathis Deligt..He is brave,courageous,killer,old school type..He is undisputed starter for united ..He doesnt even get support from Gk(i mean ex keepr Onana joker and Bayndir)..De ligt is massive…
      Hartmann is doing excellent at burnely,Hato just need minutes,He really good when played few minutes..

  • jean_venette says:

    @ Wilson and others
    Why you guys always coming up with some kind of starting 11 as if they are new players? Why do you guys do that? For the sake of entertaining the blog? You have Lang on your 11. So we are bringing a bunch bench warmers to a WC? Lol
    This is the same team for the past 3 to 4 years. We’ve seen them all. What is it are we expecting? Miracle! There won’t be no surprise my friends. Koeman is going to put the same starting 11 he uses to these past 4 years. And we all know what the outcome is going to be. There is no Miracle is soccer. Spain, France ain’t no Miracle my friends. Their soccer federation cares. They assess, make necessary changes, they revitalize their youth academy and that brings results.
    Stop believing in miracles.

  • Emmanual says:

    There is a big Debates goin on with liverpool and two consecutive losses..They see a bias towards Gakpo from slot..though the fans love dutch players..As they are worried and furious about slot tactics..they dont like schbozlai getting wasted at Right back…Just like koeman does with Van de ven and ake as left back and Timber as center back..
    Gakpo is one trick pony and clever fans knows this they want writz to play there not Gakpo…
    i think Gakpo should concentrate as striker he is 26 now..its time for change and move him from left wing.this is my advice for Gakpo.

  • wilson says:

    @ Jean venette

    Stupidity to think that lang will on the bench for the rest of the season. Not sure what is the relationship like between him and conte but surely when he gets minutes he will prove himself. But I do read he is on his way out on loan in Jan with club Brugge and Ajax possible destination.

    Agree though koeman will not change his starting lineup but then we also know what gonna happen with that starting team. And where.

    My point was what’s in the best interest of the team from upgrade POV.

  • wilson says:

    I have stated this plenty times, when the bench players are called upon they are never able to make the impact you want and you have to ask why. It’s never like, it’s it’s gonna be step up and often shot in the dark ( fluke tatic). You look at some of the other teams and how their bench players change the game around when they come on. This is something that is not a feature in the Dutch team and it’s mainly due to to how their bench players Dutch coach revolve the team strongly around starting 11 through out

  • jean_venette says:

    Any way my friend, I don’t believe in miracles. We are making it to this WC only because of the group we are in. Do not expect miracles at the WC.

    • wilson says:

      Well it has always been the case. European qualifiers are way easier unless when there has been upsets like when Italy missed out due not able to take chances and opportunities. Can’t recall which team it was. Ukraine I think. When the qualifiers draws came out, it was guaranteed the Dutch will qualify. It would have another case if turkey, Ukraine or Serbia esque teams would have drawn together.

      For WC , it’s again a matter of which teams the Dutch get. Easy, hard, pool of death.

      I have stated this before, how the Dutch under koeman has progressed and is progressing. Especially when he turned a blind eye on that Spain game. Which I feel was the best Dutch side in a while. You have to use this game to project the arguments and if some body puts me in front of Koeman in an interview, I would slaughter him with this arguments.

      This is the ratings:

      Bart Verbruggen 7.5/10: He may have conceded three goals but Verbruggen made a number of excellent saves during the game. He kept the Netherlands in it early on and even kept out Yamal’s spot kick.

      Lutsharel Geertruida 6/10: Did well to create a free man in the midfield but was caught out defensively at times. Williams is a tough opponent though.

      Ian Maatsen 8/10: A very promising start for the left-back, who replaced the injured Jurrien Timber. Was excellent going forward and scored a brilliant goal. He was beaten by Yamal for Spain’s third but still comes out of the game with a positive.

      Jan Paul van Hecke 7.5/10: Conceded the dubious penalty early on but performed strongly after that. Made a number of key challenges at the back. Looks an excellent option for Oranje going forward.

      Virgil van Dijk 7.5/10: A very captain-like performance from Van Dijk, who led the team well from the back. The defence was open at times but Van Dijk dealt with a number of situations well.

      Frenkie de Jong 7.5/10: Did well in Valencia to get the Netherlands back into the game and had some strong runs. He faded a bit in the second half and was substituted but another good performance.

      Tijjani Reijnders 6.5/10: Looked tired at times and drifted in and out of the match. Missed a good chance to score in the second half.

      Justin Kluivert 6.5/10: Did okay but nothing flashy before going off. Will have wanted to contribute more given that his replacement Xavi Simons was much more active.

      Jeremie Frimpong 7/10: One of the most threatening players on the pitch for Oranje, he was not as effective as the first leg but still gave Spain problems throughout.

      Cody Gakpo 6/10: Got a lot of the ball on the left but did very little with it and was marked out of the game before going off.

      Memphis Depay 6/10: His 100th performance but not one of his finest in Oranje. Lost the ball a lot and struggled to link play. Did win a penalty which he scored.

      Substitutes

      Xavi Simons 7.5/10: Came on and gave an excellent assist and scored a penalty that he won. Also netted in the shootout. Was guilty of some ball loss but a lot of positives from Simons introduction.

      Donyell Malen 6/10: Will go down as the one who missed the crucial penalty and also missed a good chance to win it in extra time.

      Noa Lang 6/10: Played a part in the second goal but was not active and missed his spot kick too.

      Kenneth Taylor N/A: Not on the pitch long enough for a review but did net his spot kick

      Teun Koopmeiners N/A: Not on the pitch long enough for a review but also scored a penalty

      This was the team Koeman shud have build on. But …………then he is at the helm.

  • jean_venette says:

    I didn’t even like Koeman as a player. He was too heavy. If I had to pick a All time Dutch team
    My central back would be Jaap Stam and Frank De Boer.

  • wilson says:

    Few things I sight will be on showcase as the Dutch ease through the qualifiers for the WC.

    Van dijks is on a decline no doubt and it’s evident in epl. If the Dutch get an easy pool, again it will be in the very end that it will come to limelight and again in those crucial stages vs competent teams.and if gets a tougher group, will be exposed earlier. I’m not expecting him to provide that same formability that he once known for.

    Depay is in the same boat as well and while vs average team he looks to be koemans no 1 striker, what form he will at WC and if he live up to expectations vs big teams especially getting goals remains a big question mark. Again look back at the last two tournaments and he is neither playing at top level.

    For Frenkie I have talked about him enough.

    Remember these are the three key players whom are the spine of the team. The rest are merely supporting players. All in all koeman is going for big clubs names thinking with his tatical mindset he can reach far.

  • wilson says:

    Ok watched Napoli and Torino and definitely it looks like conte lang relationship looks to be broken. Starting spinazzola a left back on the wings. While lang was a massive upgrade coming on. Too late. Napoli lost. Lang on the other hand needs to control his emotions. Thought he had equalized in the 94th, taking off his shirt in celebration. Got yellow carded and goal disallowed for offside

  • wilson says:

    Again 26 minutes and he changes the whole dynamics of the attack. But de bryne along side him just don’t complement each other. What I do like about lang compared to gakpo is his ability go outside and come in with crosses and produce those cut back passes like Frimpong does with his left. Did set up de bryne with a beauty but he blazed it over the bar

  • wilson says:

    After Brobbey, it’s weghorst. Mighty Wout goes. Can he force his way into NT

  • Jan says:

    I love it when Jean joins in. He is the guy who would yell abuse at a player on the tv but then others need to tell him he’s yelling at the wrong player.

    I wrote the article, not Johan. And when I say “WC team takes shape” I am talking about the full squad.

    You may not like it, but I don’t think Koeman will change the squad wholesales. The core of the starting eleven is also determined. Whatever you, me or Geert Wilders say about it.

    Verbruggen, Van Dijk, Timber (most likely), Frenkie, Gravenberch, Gakpo and Memphis will start if all fit and showing form.

    I love how people like Jean have the “plate in front of their head” to go on record ( nothing ever is deleted on the internet) to claim Frenkie is not valuable and Koeman was not a great player (too heavy)….

    Koeman is probably one of the most admired centre backs in football, winning a CL with Barca, being lauded by people like Cruyff (not a slouch) and Van Hanegem.

    The whole football world rates Koeman ( he was skipper of Barca, of Oranje) as a player ( Michels, Cruyff, Hiddink, Beenhakker, De Mos) but Jean, the famous football expert commonly known as jean, has determined he was shite.

    Don’t get me started man!

    And all these morons at Barca, paying top dollar for Frenkie for another 4 years, what are they smoking.

    I can only shake my head.

    But, I also don’t think Koeman is the ideal NT manager. I do agree with that. But Jean than bring Louis van Gaal to the fore. Well… I think Louis is the reason why we are currently drifting a bit. Him and Frank de Boer pushing the 5 at the back onto the players.

    In 2014, he had to switch back to 4-3-3 to win games and it was only due to Tim Krul that we reached the semis as Legend Louis couldn’t find a way to beat Costa Rica in 90 minutes of football.

    And the old master got spanked by Argentina in Qatar, because he didn’t dare to push through in the extra time.

    Why am I even responding to Jean??? ( facepalm emoticon inserted here).

    Bottom line: there are 12 odd candidates to win the WC. I rate Japan as well. We might win it. We might not. It depends on the draw, on the form of the key players and on some luck.

    Even with Louis and his 5 at the back nonsense we got close both in 2014 and in 2022.

    As for the #10 discussion: depends on opponent, depends on form and depends on striker.

    I think Kluivert/Depay works well, as Memphis wants to come into the ball and Kluivert can make those runs in behind.

    With a striker like Emegha, Reijnders might be better suited.

    Lets also keep an eye out on Valente and Kees Smit as potential newcomers in the squad, as opposed to Veerman and Koopmeiners.

  • jean_venette says:

    @ Jan

    So far in terms of our team performance you’ve been wrong all the time. I’ve watch Wales playing against Belgium last week. If we have Wales in our group for the WC qualifiers, we don’t go no where. Saying that we might win this WC is delusional. We can barely beat Lithuania. You have way to big expectations for a team that can’t even beat Lithuania.
    Now on Koeman: I never said Keoman wasn’t a great player. It is a matter preference. In my best 11 I would picked Jaap Stam over Koeman any day. By the way Jaap Stam scored higher that Koeman on any list of Dutch Central back of all time.
    On F De Jong: The guys is already 28. He still has not exploded. He hasn’t done much for the NT. His contribution at the last WC was very minimal. At Barcelona, Pedri is one that every one is talking about not De Jong. Van Basten and others have criticized him. In my opinion F De Jong has reach the celling. To be honest the only solid players the Dutch NT have and can and will deliver are Timber and Gravenberch. Van Dijk is on the decline and that is expecting, F De Jong still hasn’t rose to the expectations, Gakpo isn’t consistent, Dumfrees we all know is very or below average, Depay is done and I’m sure why he is still our starter, Malen and all the rest are simply not consistent. When you have a team like that and a coach like R Koeman please lower your expectations Jan.
    Oh by the way, every countries are progressing except us. Look at Morocco my friend. They haver the semi final in the last WC, they have already qualified and the u20 just won the WC. Please, stop pretending that you are the biggest soccer expert out there.

    • Johan says:

      It´s so nice to see all the opinions, that makes the game so exciting haha, btw, don´t care about van Bastens opinion, he was a great player but a poor coach and even worse analist.

      If van Basten tells Frenkie is a postman I aske myself what shit he smoked….

  • Johan says:

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  • wilson says:

    You can’t say at the moment how far the Dutch team can go. But for sure they are not contenders or have that flare to win the WC either. If anybody believes otherwise I will say you are not in you right state of mind.

    The disappointing part for me is while many other coaches are exploring new ideas, players and fine tuning the team Koeman is adamant and relying on one set of starting 11. I mean this is always risky when injuries start mounting up. Yes some positions have good depth but the question remain how much the bench players are on par with the other players who dominate in playing time, caps and have a good grip. I always say this this one feature that is always in the winning team. You look at Argentina they brought on Martinez and parades on the bench who came and turned the game around and in PKs. All this matters in the end and is always a decisive factor as to who wins.

    The Dutch coach also go with that mind set that they can win somehow by luck, fluke and dragging tatic.

    This time around there are some good talents in the team and to see the team bow out seeing the same downfall from the last tournaments, it’s gonna be utter disappointing.

    Again evidently changes has been blessing for NT as the team has done well. I mean why koeman doesn’t want to acknowledge this is anybody’s guess. This is what makes my blood boil.

    If koeman makes that mistake of playing Timber at CB just to accommodate dumfries, I mean this are the type of situation where you can pinpoint the foolishness of these Dutch coaches who stray away from being rational. RB is not a CB.

    I just hope koeman will come to his senses and gets his stuff right.

    • Emmanual says:

      “””””You can’t say at the moment how far the Dutch team can go. But for sure they are not contenders or have that flare to win the WC either. If anybody believes otherwise I will say you are not in you right state of mind”””””””.

      No Man ..it easy to predict,untill they meet a good attacking team..They have no chance Vs england.Portugal,spain,brazil,Japan,Norway,croatia,Austria,Arjentina(i hate them)..i would add even teams like columbia,uruguay,Ecqudor,Morroco will beat them…Thats how bad koeman is..koeman is incharge..I dont remmber we beat a top team under koeman since his takeover from Van gaal..

  • Kevin says:

    Thanks for the nice article Jan! Very comprehensive list of players and their position within the team. Agree that most of the spots are decided and the team is taking shape. I can see a few changes that might happen last minute:

    Robin Roefs might overtake Bart to be the number one keeper
    RCB is still open. Van Hecke had his chance but he did not nail it.
    I don’t think Gravenberch and FDJ can operate well together. Their skill overlap a lot which makes the midfield one dimension.
    RW and ST might change. Noone is convincing.

    Overall, I think there are two weakness:
    _ Attackers are weak. Gakpo is the only reliable player. Depay always disappear at big tournament so i would not count on him
    _ Coach. A lot of discussion about Dumfries vs Frimpong vs Timber or Kluivert vs Reijnders. To me, it does not matter. For the first time after many years, we have surplus of good defenders and midfielders. The starting XI does not need to be fixed and it does not need to be the most in form at club level. The good coach can pick the combination that bring the best of them and can change this combination based on opponents. Koeman after many years still tinker with those combinations tell me that he does not know how to utilize them. Some matches he picked the right one and it works, then some other matches, things do not work and he does not know how to adapt. This is why the form change so much between matches. Also if we look over a long period, we haven’t won against any big opponent.

    • Emmanual says:

      We have clown as our head coach and manger..So don’t expect any kind of excellence…if you see any excellence its all down to Wim Jonk..i can see koemans scratching the back of Van dijk and Van dijk scratching the back of koeman,,and beating lesser teams at World cup,once they meet Portugal,England,Brazil ,Spain even Norway,croatia,Japan,Italy,France and corrupted divers Arjentina,they will be safely send back to home..KNVB and Nijel De jong will celebrate it as our greatest achievement/optimal achievement…

      We have big problems in our team to beat a top team..All these chaos are coming because using Gakpo as left winger,Dumfries as right back…and playing together frenkie,Gravenberch and Tijjani trio…and Virgil gets partnered by De vrij or Van hecke…
      Problem-3
      Gakpo is a one trick pony ,who loves to cut inside and shoot,,..i think he is coded for that..He doesn’t track back at liverpool,but inNT he is comparatively better at tracking back..He is been found out at EPL..there is huge discussion going on about him in between clever liverpool fans..its Better we start him as striker and gets subbed with memphis later..Thats the best we could use him..We have more versatile Simons,Lang and summerville for left wing who can play immense combination play with either Hartmann /Hato or Maatsen..that rappo would be awesome to watch..its easily doable as we dont have strikers.Just move Gakpo to center,start him for 70 minutes and allow Simons/Lang on left and Frimpong /Malen on right to kill any Top team…
      Between Robin roefs is sensational Goalkeeper,finally we have goalkeeper whop can stop penalty,confident,killer of shots,refless master..what a player he is..Verbruggen is excellent keeper ,But Robin looks like a world class keeper…
      Problem -2

      Playing the best club players or best players together doesn’t solve your issue,Never play Gravenberch,Frenkie,Reinders together..Justin kluivert is mercurial no 10 we have,We have kees smit as no 10 who is another mercurial no 10 we have,yes xavi simons can play there too ..koopmeiners can be no 10 as well..kluivert should be no 1 choice for playmaker no 10..i persoanlly would use 19 year old kees smit for his tireless energy as subsitiute..
      ———————–kluivert———————–
      ——–Reinders———-Frenkie—————–as starters
      on Bench
      ———————-kees smit————————
      ——Quniten—————-Gravenberch——————on Bench..that would do miracle for us
      Problem no 1
      Dumfries is big problem for us VS Top teams..He drags penalty,He cannot move with ball on feet..Take ons are non existent with dumfries..That forces him to do Back pass,which kills our flow..This is modern day football and we play play 433.not dumfries 532 or 343…thats itself should rule out dumfries from team untill unless injury to timber ,Geetruida and Read..yes geetruida is playing not many minutes,but so does Ake and De vrij,Read is a no nonsense starter at feynoord..
      Dumfries cannot play as modern inverted full back fro right..He is piss poor,its not a surprise we played out best 2 games vs mighty spain with out dumfries…That game was a perfect game to watch,using frimpong to his strength (play and start him as right winger,He is our most threatening player) and support from inverted right back Geetruida/timber would be a nightmare for Top teams..

      Finally i watch EPL and few matches from other leagues on regular basis..De ligt is stone cold killer at united,he is a better defender than Virgil this season..He doesnt run away from challenges.what a player he is…Van hecke is good ,De ligt is world class player,He carries the whole united team…De vrij should not be even in discussion. Ake at least play few minutes…

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